Gar Forman: “The Bulls are too loyal, Mr. Wade.”

Dwyane Wade recently dropped a mini-bombshell on the Bulls’ free agent dreams: Because Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen aren’t on Chicago’s payroll at the moment, Wade has doubts about the organization’s loyalty.

When a team is in the market for a superstar, that team probably doesn’t want on-the-market superstars openly questioning the organization’s loyalty in the press. It just looks bad. Why not tell everybody that Jerry Reinsdorf bathes in human blood and survives on an all-kitten diet, Dwyane?

Well, Bulls GM Gar Forman — who somewhat laughably claims he is not addressing Wade specifically — wants the world at large to know that the Bulls are actually pretty darn loyal if you stop to look at the facts.

To wit, here’s a list of the former players whom the Bulls have hired as front office employees, coaches or broadcasters: John Paxson, Bill Cartwright, Randy Brown, Bill Wennington, Stacey King, Pete Myers and B.J. Armstrong.

And that’s not all. As Michael Gibbons of the Bleacher Report points out: “The late great Johnny ‘Red’ Kerr was the team’s first coach and was a longtime broadcaster. Jerry Sloan, who has his number retired, worked his way up as a scout before becoming the head coach. His coaching tenure lasted less than three seasons. The late Norm Van Lier was connected to the team in many ways, mostly through the broadcasting side. Bob Love, who also has his number hanging from the rafters, can be seen at almost every single Bulls game and helps out greatly with all the Bulls charities.”

Gibbons also reminds us that Miami Heat president Pat Riley once nudged Stan Van Gundy out the door so he could return to coaching. And if you do a little reading between the lines, it seems like Riles is considering doing the same thing to current Heat coach Erik Spoelstra.

And while it’s true that Jordan and Pippen — the two biggest names on the Former Chicago Bulls All-Star Team – aren’t and haven’t been on the Bulls’ payroll since their playing days, it could be argued that role players need loyalty more than superstars do. Plus, last time I checked, the Boston Celtics don’t have Bill Russell or Larry Bird on staff. The Utah Jazz never hired John Stockton or Karl Malone. Isiah Thomas isn’t working for the Detroit Pistons. So on and so forth.

Not that Forman wants to argue about it. He just wants people to know what’s what: ”Anyone who would question our loyalty is obviously misinformed. I think it absolutely ignores our record, which speaks for itself. We have a number of ex-players that are — and have been — employed within our organization within a variety of capacities, ranging from the front office to the coaching staff, in our business office, as part of our broadcasting teams. We take great pride in not only how we treat our current players, but also in how we treat our former players.”

Of course, Forman couldn’t resist making a pitch too: “What I read and what I hear the players say is that winning is the most important thing. And we believe, like I’ve said before, with our talented young nucleus of players and the flexibility that we’ve created to add to that core that we’re set up to have great success here for many years to come.”

Meanwhile, Randy Brown — a former Bulls player and current director of player development — said: ”I was shocked. I talked to D-Rose [Derrick Rose] right after we both saw the article, and he didn’t understand what D-Wade was saying. I told him this thing completely threw me off stride.”

You’re not the only one, Randy.

In fact, Wade himself is trying to distance himself from his comments: ”I’m not taking shots at the Bulls and the organization. I respect the organization. … It’s just my opinion when the question was asked about what’s most important to you, I said one of the most important things is loyalty.”

Uh huh. Suuuuuure, Dwyane.

Henry Thomas, the Chicago-based attorney who represents both Wade and Chris Bosh in partnership with CAA Sports, added: ”No. 1, there were some statements that Dwyane made that were taken out of context. ‘That was why it was very important that clarification was posted as quickly as possible. He made a point to say that he does not know, other than as an outside observer, much about the Bulls’ organization. Growing up here, he, of course, heard some things that were said with regard to how matters were handled with Michael and Scottie and even Phil [Jackson].

”But for him at this point to make an educated judgment about the loyalty that exists between the Bulls and former players, really not positioned to do that.”

No. He’s really not.

Here’s the money shot: when he was asked if Wade has ruled out the Bulls as a possible destination when he becomes a free agent this summer, Thomas said: ”Absolutely not.”

There you have it. Dwyane Wade is still in play.

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87 Responses to Gar Forman: “The Bulls are too loyal, Mr. Wade.”

  1. PTFC May 28, 2010 at 2:08 pm #

    I love how the NBA can be so much like Geo-politics. Who’s growing stronger, who’s growing weaker, arms race, competition for resources, and making different moves and decisions because of the different “balance of power” issues.

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    Luke May 28, 2010 at 2:41 pm #

    Let Wade say what he wants… he shouldn’t be worrying about our team’s loyalty, he should be worrying about the loyalty of the women he marries, because obviously he doesn’t “know about that”.

    But more importantly, does this “meeting of the free agents” bother anyone? Even if James and Bosh choose Chicago, I feel like it would be a bittersweet moment. Yes, we’re going to win championships with them, but the future of the NBA is in the hands of a handful of players.

    I want the power to be in the hands of the owners so that anything that happens will be more beneficial to more teams. This free agent class is going to turn the NBA into the New York Yankees- buying championships. Except instead of buying championships, we’re just letting a group of all-stars (who are friends and should be enemies considering they’re all on different teams in the East) do whatever they want. I hope Wade, Bosh, James and Johnson all choose their own team to play for next season

  3. TexasBearsFan May 28, 2010 at 3:22 pm #

    Wade is just butt-hurt because Chi-town is his hometown and he’s not our first or second choice. Probably not our third choice either.

    Really, I’d see if he can be investigated for tampering.

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    zillaa May 28, 2010 at 3:57 pm #

    Wow did Wade put me in my place as a Bulls fan. I know I just made my comments on an earlier post condemning Reinsdorf and his practices, and I still stand by them, but the Bulls in general not being a loyal organization? What a load of crap!

    As pretty much everyone with a brain is saying, there is plenty of overall loyalty throughout the organization. It is now official, I’ll be cheering against the Heat every game next season.

    I won’t go as far as saying I don’t want us to get Wade in free agency, since we all want the Bulls to win, but assuming he stays in Miami, every game the Heat plays will have me cheering like the other team has “Bulls” on their uniforms.

  5. Ryan May 28, 2010 at 4:22 pm #

    I really doubt it would happen, but I could see 1-2 pivotal players taking a paycut. If someone like Wade, Bosh, or Lebron would take a paycut, then I think the NBA would see bigtime changes. It would change the whole scene and outlook from the top of organizations to the bottom. It would cause temporary chaos. It is one thing for a role player like Flip Murray to take a reduced salary, but if Bosh and Joe Johnson take a paycut in order to join with Wade – that would be malarchy! Now if they took a paycut to join with the Bulls… that would be genius!

  6. Ryan May 28, 2010 at 4:26 pm #

    I agree Zillaa,

    I had huge amounts of respect for Wade, even if he wasn’t from Chicago. Now he seems like a low-life – Maybe the sun is melting his common sense. If he honestly wants to stay with the Heat, they will need some luck and help. I hope they get scraps in Free Agency and Wade slowly gets worse every year and has to watch the Playoffs from home – Or the Bulls smoke them every year.

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    Benjamin May 28, 2010 at 4:56 pm #

    Eh, you guys are over-reacting. Wade was a Chicago kid. When he was a teenager, Pip went to Houston, then Portland. Jordan went to smoke cigars and play golf, then came back to the Wizards. Wade’s not stabbing anybody in the back here, he’s just displaying the same rumormill-driven prejudices all sports fans do.

    Because he’s a professional, he and his reps are walking it back. No big deal.

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    bullsfandom May 28, 2010 at 7:16 pm #

    Yeah, Krause was a cancer in the front office no doubt. At least thats what it seemed like growing up. Mix some of that with some of his lobbying/tampering then you get some uninformed comments that may actually make us stronger now that everybody is calling him out as a doofus.

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    Rich May 28, 2010 at 7:52 pm #

    Wow, you guys are way to wound up over a tiny little comment.

    BTW, whether or not he is right has aboslutely no impact on whether or not he will play in Chicago. His perception is that the Bulls aren’t loyal, and even if they are, it doesn’t matter. It’s what he feels. Personally, I think those comments basically say all that needs to be said about the chances of Wade heading to Chicago..he isn’t going.

    YOu guys seem pretty confident someone is coming to Chicago, but have you bothered to ask the question of “what if they don’t?” Someone is losing in the FA race this year. Chicago, NJN, NYK, Miami, and Cleveland aren’t all going to get LeBron, Wade, Bosh, and Johnson. Someone, if not multiple somones are getting left out. Now, Chicago sold off some of its’ better players over the last two season, they would be devasted if a big name FA didn’t come their way. Mediocre for years to come. This isn’t as out there as other people think, especially if other players feel like Wade.

  10. Bullsfan22 May 28, 2010 at 10:27 pm #

    Why don’t we just sign the top 5 players in the NBA on July 1st and go from there. Getting Lebron, cool, what next? Players are gonna have to play with him. What if the Bulls get him for the next, say 5-8 years, and what if the don’t win the championship during that span? Derrick Rose was the so called “franchise player/savior?” What happens when Lebron gets here? I know Derrick is a team player, but what about Lebron’s constant ego being in the way, and his childish acts on court? People were hating Lebron all year long, Noah was the hero in Chicago during the playoffs this year for standing up to Lebron (actually did that whenever they played Cleveland this year) and now it’s all just supposed to gel nicely right away and often after that? I’m not sure. If they do get Lebron, oookkkkkaaay, just don’t be shocked to see some sort of disappointment. If Lebron starts maturing and stops being such a narcissistic individual who looks at himself at the big screen, shows some sort of respect to others around him and doesn’t moan when he is losing and berating the officials when he doesn’t get the call that he wants, then I might support him, until then, not a chance.

    People often say that MJ was the most arrogant, selfish player out there. Maybe, but he had respect, was the ultimate competitor and no matter what, came back day in and day out to compete and not give anything away. Pippen, Rodman and co. grew from that, and as a result won many championships. Everyone on those Bulls championship teams knew quite well what their role(s) were, no complaints, just go out and play. I don’t think I see that very often in today’s league. Kobe may be a punk as well, but at least he has a certain amount of respect for his opponents, teammates, and the game, he works his butt off and does the job. I haven’t seen that from Lebron yet, and he’s been in the league how long now? Oh, and all the comparisons of Lebron and MJ need to stop, nothing suggests that Lebron is as good or better than MJ. Not just because of the rings, but because of everything else. I don’t need to mention that, I think all of you know what MJ did and how he did it.

    I know that I went off topic with my spiel, but that is honestly how I feel. I hope that more people will realize that we can win a championship in the near future without Lebron. There is enough talent and hunger in this team already, all we need is a couple of really solid and driven players that can take us far into the playoffs and have a chance to win it all. How did the Pistons win it? How about the Spurs? Yes they had Tim Duncan as the man, but everyone around him wanted it as much as he did and grew stronger each year. Let’s go for gold starting July 1st! Go Bulls!

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    Max May 28, 2010 at 10:55 pm #

    Chicago: Educated Women, Great Restaurants, Great Shopping, Great Lake beaches, Beautiful women, Sports History, Great Skyline, Beautiful homes, Loyal Fans, Loyal Teams, Historic stadiums, Great Music, Great Clubs, D.ROSE, Noah, Deng, Kirk, and Some of the greatest minds at University of Chicago and Northwestern.

    Miami: DWADE, Nice homes, fake women, and Great Cocaine!!!

    I’m taking Chicago every time!!

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    BULL4EVER May 29, 2010 at 12:50 pm #

    Never mind a proud,storied/legendary franchise like the Bulls always being the most loyal in basketball,this Bulls franchise has always been the most loyal in sports.This is BullNation,totally similiar to those Boston RedSox where a nation was born to win and where sellouts have always ruled no matter how much the team wins or loses and dwayne wade is totally misunderstood about a team like the bulls like how Bull-haters have always been of course.Chicago has always taken great care of it’s former and current players like no other team in sports, why?because this is the windy city of course.GO BULLS.

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    insane packer mauler May 29, 2010 at 4:50 pm #

    Wade’s referring to krauses prematurly breaking up Jordans team. Well, krause is fired and jerry reinsdorf has been nothing but a world class owner who has brought many rings nd banners to chicago!! The sport fans of chicago will always be loyal to you mister wade as one of chicago’s own and if we can do a sign and trade of deng for James and still afford D-wade? Rose ,Wade , and james on the same team would be terriffic. I wish I was in position to offer you a position for life with DAAAAA BULLLLLLLSSSSS!!!!!!!

  14. Kipp May 29, 2010 at 6:29 pm #

    I will always be both a Bulls and D. Wade fan (Robbins, IL in the building). When I heard him knock the Bulls’ loyalty I cringed a bit because I saw it as a potential PR hit to the organization. Deservedly so or not I didn’t want to hear a big-time player sully the team at such a critical juncture. That said, a sports forum is no place to question a man’s integrity based on a failed marriage…And, if I have to explain why, then you guys are bigger idiots than I thought.

    That said, I think the key to his statement highlights a bigger and more intriguing point: the evolution of the free-agent. An underlying commentary to Wade’s statement is that free-agents are weilding much more power than ever before. And, they’re demanding more respect at the negotiating table then even the MJ-era stars could. Good for them. I’d be interested in seeing a certain level of collusion that results in an even bigger power grab by the players–the guys generating the revenues. MJ’s route to ownership was way too difficult a road given his importance to the Bulls, the City of Chicago, the NBA as a whole, sports media, Nike, the sport of basketball, etc., etc. Not that he should have been “given” anything, but too many people are currently eating way too well for his efforts to have not produce himself any residual value (current product endorsements excluded, of course).

    Although…my loyaties as a Bulls fan, puts my desire for a Championship winning team slightly ahead of my desire to see D. Wade and LBJ make some “point.”

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    inkybreath May 29, 2010 at 7:52 pm #

    I think we can take it a little easy on Wade. His comments are desperate, at worst. He has got a lot of negative stuff happening in his life (sure, self-created, like most of our problems) and the uncertainty of the upcoming year and the disappointment of the past must be really eating at him. I would have him on the Bulls team in a heartbeat. He plays ultra-hard on both sides of the court and is a Chicago boy. I’d give him another chance….

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    Dj May 29, 2010 at 8:03 pm #

    D. Wade is another type of guy, that the Bulls are wasting their time on! if they plan on signing him as a top priority just like Lebron James. Sorry people but, I just don’t see both of these guys coming to Chicago anytime soon! (that is just my opinion.)

    The reason why I don’t see D. Wade coming to Chicago is because of his baby mama drama issues that he has with his ex-wife and kids. That being said, he would rather stay far away from them and resign with Miami to a long, fatter and bigger contract and take his chances with the Heat. Hoping that they will bring him good additional players to play along side by him.

    The reason why I don’t see Lebron James coming to Chicago is because he still has not accomplish his mission, by bring in at least 1 championship trophy to Cleveland. Remember people, he wants to be know as the best player in the world! (Meaning he wants to be like Mike!) Did MJ leave the Bulls when he was a top free-agent? When the Bulls were not winning a lot of championships? NO! He stay put with his team that drafted him and show the world why he was the best players by winning 6 continues championship trophy in the 90′s with a bad Bulls team roster with low expectations in winning it all. And knowing Lebron James he wants to take the same steps like MJ to be know as the best player in the world.

    I can see the Bulls signing: Bosh, Lee, Johnson (I don’t want), Boozer (I don’t want) or Amare ( I don’t want) or they can sign good solid free-agent players like: Travis Outlaw, Kelenna Azubuike, Carl Landry and Chris Duhon and get Rudy Gay in a sign and trade deal for Deng and J.J.

    Hopefully the Bulls will make some huge smart trade deals this summer to improve their team by adding solid players that fix well with D. Rose and J. Noah system and with a great new head coach like Byron Scott to make this team into a contender for a championship!

    Go BULLS!!!

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    BULL4EVER May 29, 2010 at 10:40 pm #

    Hey DJ you don’t understand,LeBron is not at all Jordan because he will never win anything at all as long as he stays with Cleveland and LeBron will sign with a title-winning tradition like the Bulls if he truly wants to win NBA titles year after year.LeBron will stay in Cleveland if he wants to be totally heartbroken.Another thing Jordan never even had to leave the Bulls because the Bulls were always winning NBA titles,LeBron James has to leave Cleveland because Cleveland has always been a losing tradition,Cleveland is not at all Chicago.GO BULLS.

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    Luke May 30, 2010 at 1:21 am #

    Yeah, DJ, I’m not too sure about some of your comments.

    MJ won his first title in his 7th season- coincidentally this 09-10 season was LeBron’s 7th season. So technically, MJ was never put in the situation LeBron is now. Therefore, this summer will be a LeBron path, no matter what he does.

    And what is with all this Travis Outlaw talk? Why is a 9 and 3 guy who has only started 32 games for Portland/Clips even being mentioned during the summer of 2010? are you people not aware of all of the free agents this summer?This is not the NFL… you can’t just shop based on athleticism and hope they turn into something (we should know this all too well with Tyrus Thomas the last 5 years). He’s had 6+ years to prove what he can do, and he’s proved that what he can do is not what the bulls would need him to do.

    And that’s not even mentioning Chris Duhon. Why on god’s green earth would you even think about mentioning the bulls getting him back?

    I try not to get heated on this site, but this post by you DJ is just not very well thought out.

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    BULL4EVER May 30, 2010 at 2:12 am #

    The Bulls will be perfect even if they fail to sign Lebron, Chicago is a faster title contender with him in the mix, they are just a slower title contender without him in the mix which will take about 3 years for this Bulls team to return to glory if Chicago fails to sign him.It’s just a slight difference between with and without James.GO BULLS.

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    Max May 30, 2010 at 6:00 am #

    Luke don’t let it get you heated. He says things like that all the time. Carl Landry? Chris Duhon? Travis Outlaw? Jordan won it with a Bad Bulls Roster? Are you serious Dude? Pippen,Grant,Cartwright,Paxson,Armstrong and then Pippen,Harper,Rodman,Kukoc you call those bad teams with low expectations? All your comments are what make me believe your not even a Bulls fan. You always say the dumbest shit. Rudy Gay will not be a Bull. He is not even on their Radar!! Rose has came out and said he wants the Bulls to sign a SUPERSTAR for him to play with. Not the band of misfits you want the Bulls to sign.

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    Trm3 May 30, 2010 at 8:28 am #

    U can always tell a DJ comment..it always starts with “People LeBron and D-Wade are not coming to Chicago..” then he’ll give his stupid reasons why..then he’ll give u his guys the Bulls “NEED” to sign to have a nice “SOLID” second round and out team. I’m just surprised not to see Anthony Morrow’s name in his comments anymore?? What happen there??

    I wonder who’s gonna be his flav of the week next week??..Darko?? lol..Adam Morrison? (He looks unhappy riding the pine in LA, I’m sure we could get him DJ, he was a deadly shooter in college and a crybaby, literally) lol

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    BULL4EVER May 30, 2010 at 11:37 am #

    Anything but an NBA title has always been a total disappointment in the windy city because of it’s storied history of 6 NBA titles of course,hey this is the NBA’s Dallas Cowboys where it has always been championship or bust.Another thing I want to point out is it would be total disappointment if Chicago did not win an NBA title even with LeBron and Bosh in the mix,that’s how serious this Bulls team has always been on it’s expectations.GO BULLS.

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    reggie May 30, 2010 at 1:42 pm #

    1st the bulls need to actually see who wants to come to chicago if they are not intrested then they should not waste time trying to sign them 2nd make sure the players you have are ok with who you sign ala ben wallace (team killer)3rd kurt made a good comment he is not getting all google eyed at this free agency and niether am I , I get the feeling that most of these players are using this as a spring board just to get there current team to pay them more money ala opting opt sound like a long shot if they really wanted out of there team for the most part would of did it , along time ago if the bulls want to be even better then it all starts with them making the team stronger with players that truly want to play here. I am hoping that they can sign a big name player like LBJ or D wade not sure how much of a big name player CB4 is he has not even won a playoff game yet and Johnson well they are still looking for him he vanished in the playoffs, we meaning the bulls need proven playoff players ones which make a big time contribution in the playoffs, and if you cannot get wade or LBJ then they may want to consider trying to make a sign and trade for proven player next year they also have two first round picks package them and a player or two for someone solid who wants to be a bull loyalty is key one thing is for sure that has come from D wades comments but it is winnging I think comes first, like most of the players have said its a buisness and you get paid when you win simple as that .If wade comes I will say welcome home if LBJ comes I will say welcome to chicago If CB4 comes I will say hope it was worth leaving the money on the table to just flat sign with a true contender here in chicago but I have my concerns about CB4 he is a good player but cannot say great yet cause like I said its about winning and his resume looks blank in that area,the bulls may want to look at the fact rose is growing and will be a true superstar and just get him players that will help him compete to win a title not just have a big name for those that think getting just one player makes us a title contender look at the big names that out out there now even Dirk the jerk Navinski wants out players know if they want to win they cannot do it without good maybe even great help to achieve there goal of winning a title, the money is great but when its all over do you really want to say I made alot of money or would you rather say I won alot of titles I am true compeditor and I always wants to win always so I know there guys are too eyes on the prize time to be true to thyne own self being loyaly can hurt you sometimes as KG said it to LBJ, things change and as far as Mj shadow goes nah Mj did his thing now its time for the king to do his and he can do it in chicago no matter what ppl say when he is done if he does it as a bull they will say if he won titles here that he was a great player no one will ever be able to scale things tu see where you fit exactly its all guess work along the lines of winning and achievements in there career so the plan should be to win everything else is personal and like I said b4 this is a buisness and we the bulls are in the buisness where winning games and titles pays you off lots of money I will be watching when july 1 comes and see who wants to be a bulls player and a contender I feel the shock wave coming and noted from comment above no sure thing anyone will sign with the bulls so its all a gamble for now lets just hope it pays off. Peace

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    Luke May 30, 2010 at 3:13 pm #

    Reggie. Come on man, you gotta help us out. You just wrote the longest comment I have seen on here and managed to only use 8 commas and 3 periods. I am sure most people here will struggle to read through most of it, let alone get the point you are trying to make.

    And now speaking of that point- what are you trying to say? First you say that you don’t think any big stars will leave, they’re just trying to get their team to pay up. Then you say that DRose said he wants a superstar to play with and that these FAs want to win championships and are going where they will win. Don’t those two statements contradict each other?

    And as far as your Bosh argument… True, he hasn’t won anything in Toronto. But he was a one of the top guys at the all-star game this year as well as playing a huge role on the Olympic team that won gold. That kind of winning is good enough for me to believe in him.

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    BULL4EVER May 30, 2010 at 3:34 pm #

    These high-profile free-agents want to win NBA titles,but they also want big bucks in the mix because this is a business,it’s not just about winning NBA titles.Only time will tell if Lebron or Bosh sign with Chicago.One thing that I have zero understanding in is when poeple say LeBron should stay away from the windy city because he would be totally competing with Jordan,so what if he competes with Jordan because No.1 he is there to win NBA titles No.2 competing with Jordan has always been the beauty of playing for legendary storied franchise like the Bulls, Imean this makes zero sense,speaking of LeBron on how he should stay away from Chicago because the Bulls are jordan’s team,so what if that’s Jordan team??????LeBron will play it totally smart by signing with the Bulls if he wants to win NBA titles year after year,not to mention it’s always been a beauty playing for a team like the Bulls,especially with all that loaded talent on that team.GO BULLS.

  26. bobbysimmons May 30, 2010 at 9:51 pm #

    Trm3, in addition to DJ always starting his comments with “People LeBron and D-Wade are not coming to Chicago,” I swear every post needs to mention Kelenna Azibuike and David Lee. DJ we get it, Lebron or Wade are not coming to Chicago and you like David Lee and Azibuike… try writing something different for once!! please!!

    While I’m talking shit, I must also add to Reggie, no one will ever bother reading what you write if you keep doing that.

    As for Max, man F Northwestern! UChicago is straight though. I see you have a lot of blind love for the CHI, but seriously man compared to most other cities Chitown girls are just aight, nothing to write home about and who says they’re smart? Miami chicks on the other hand, DAMN!

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    reggie May 31, 2010 at 5:57 am #

    yes my statement was long luke but my point should of been clear bottom line is if they are leaving there teams fine and if not that is fine too not gonna guess who might come to the bulls just gonna support the bulls , so if I have alot to say just trying to make it all clear will do better in future . No matter what our bulls will compete at a high level that point has already been made hope the F A’s read these post its on in chi town . Peace

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    Boppinbob May 31, 2010 at 11:42 am #

    DJ, I know that MJ is a “god” to you. But please don’t get carried away, MJ did not win titles with a bad “roster”. Pippen (HOF, All-Star, All Defense), Horace Grant, Cartwright, Paxson, Steve Kerr, Rodman, Kukoc, Armstrong, and Harper were all solid players. As idiotic as Krause was, he did know that a team had to be able to consistently play 9 or 10 deep in order to contend in the NBA. That is still true. The Bulls do not need a superstar to contend right away, they need to add 4-6 quality players to the roster that they already have. That will make them contenders. Let’s remember that getting a “pro bowl” QB didn’t make the Bears better, it made them worse.

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    Boppinbob May 31, 2010 at 12:04 pm #

    While it will look good in the press to sign a LeBron and/or Bosh, on the court the Bulls will still need 4-5 more quality players to even be serious contenders. People seem to forget that championship teams have been built thru the draft and solid trades, not free agency. You need a core of 8-9 players before a single FA will make you a champion. The Bulls do not have that core yet. No matter who they get in FA this year the Bulls will not be serious contenders, they will not have the depth of quality players necessary to win it all.

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    Luke May 31, 2010 at 1:18 pm #

    Boppinbob, I agree with what you are saying. You definitely need to be deep in order to get a championship in this league. But look at our team before this summer:

    Rose, Hinrich, Deng, Gibson, Noah, Miller. Those are 6 guys who could play real quality minutes for us.

    Now add in JJ, who has a whole year under his belt and can hopefully develop those slight flashes of skill he showed this past year. That makes 7. Throw in a LeBron, that makes 8.

    And let’s ignore the fact that our intentions were not to keep Warrick or Flip. Even if we don’t keep them, as long as we can sign one or two equivalent guys. that makes us 10 deep, with our 9 and 10 getting only a few minutes- Like a Vujacic/Walton combo getting 8 or 9 minutes a game to give the other guys a rest.

    Someone is going to have to make a strong argument as to how that roster does not equate to a deep roster. Even if we have to sign and trade Deng for LeBron, that still makes us 9 deep.

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    Boppinbob May 31, 2010 at 3:34 pm #

    I believe that a sign and trade for LeBron will take more than just Deng, assuming LeBron leaves Cleveland. We have to resign Miller, and that is not a given. I agree that resigning Warrick and Murray would be a positive step for improved depth they performed well as role players. We need to add an athletic C that can rebound and run the court as Noah’s back-up, the draft may provide that solution. But a SG to either start or be a sixth man is another pressing issue. We also need a PF who can either start or back-up Gibson.

  32. Anonymous May 31, 2010 at 3:43 pm #

    Yes. In terms of a SG, I would love to sign LeBron in whatever sign and trade deal it takes (as long as Hinrich is not involved) and also get Kyle Korver. I think a Rose, Korver, LeBron, Gibson and Noah Lineup with Hinrich coming off the bench for Korver when we need defense would be one hell of a lineup.

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    BULL4EVER May 31, 2010 at 3:43 pm #

    BoppinBob you don’t understand anything at all about the Bull because the Bulls been re-tooling and and re-biulding since Jordan and Pippen left the windy city,well the team has already been re-built with Rose/Noah and a good supporting cast like Deng/Gibson and Hinrich in the mix.They need high-profile free-agents like LeBron and Bosh to be title-contenders year after year.Another reason why Chicago could use free-agents like LeBron and Bosh is because Chicago has not even had a superstar since Jordan and Pippen were playing for this team and Rose and Noah are future superstars,not superstars yet.GO BULLS.

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    reggie May 31, 2010 at 3:46 pm #

    our needs are not big on the bulls what we need is a pure shooter to open the floor up, also a big man that can handle the ball in case he needs to create for himself ala Chris bosh LBJ great fit for all that but if it means giving up multiple players not sure if I would want to do that depends on who we must give up,make rose the center piece sign Ac law to back him up trade jurt if possible contract too big and draft a big shooting guard and go after chris bosh if james is not coming on his own. Peace

  35. bob.edwards47@yahoo.com'
    Boppinbob May 31, 2010 at 7:17 pm #

    Bull4ever, I would like to know how long you have been a Bulls fan or a basketball fan for that matter. I started following the Bulls in 1980, before MJ. I watched them slowly build a team around MJ that became a dynasty. I believe that the Bulls current team supporting Rose is better than the Bulls team that supported MJ after his second season. I hope that Pax and Gar have the patience to build the next Bulls dynasty, and do not mortgage the future to win now.

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    Dj May 31, 2010 at 10:24 pm #

    OMG some of you people are dumb as hell! 1st of all, I was referring to “IF THE BULLS CAN NOT LAND: 1.Lebron or 2.Wade.” (which they wont) Then they should go after: 1.Bosh, 2.Lee, 3.Amare, 4.Johnson or 5.Boozer and if that plan fails, then they should go after solid free-agent players like: Travis Outlaw, Kelenna Azubuike, Chris Duhon, Kyle Korver or Channing Frye and RESTRICTED players like: Rudy Gay, Carl Landry or Anthony Morrow in mix! (MAX, Luke, Trm3, BULL4EVER, bobbysimmons & Boppinbob!)

    AND YES! they are all good solid players if you check out their stats and THEY ARE ALL CHEEPER PLAYERS THAT THE BULLS CAN GET FOR A GOOD PRICE. I rather get something good or solid this summer then to end up with nothing but, garbage players like Aron Gray for example lol.

    When I said the Bulls won 6 championship titles with a bad Bulls roster team back then in the 90′s. I am sorry I take that back, they won with an average roster team! (happy people? stop your bitchin and crying now lol jk)

    I was just being realistic, compare to others teams back then that had a better all around roster then the Bulls. The only difference between those other teams and Bulls team back then was that they did not have the best players in the world like we did which was MJ.

    Remember people, did the Bulls won back then in 94 and 95 without MJ, when he was playing baseball with the White Sox? NO!!! (I just made my point)

    If the BULLS had the best roster in the world back then like most of you people say they did, then why couldn’t they win those two years (94 and (95) without MJ???

    Then we would of had 8 championship not 6! (HINT: THEIR IS A REASON WHY WE ONLY HAVE A STATUE OF MJ IN THE UNITED CENTER!) Connect the dots people…

    As for: Pippen, Horace Grant, Cartwright, Paxson, Steve Kerr, Rodman, Kukoc, Armstrong, and Harper they were all good solid players. Expect Pippen that was another Star player next to MJ.

    GO BULLS!!!

  37. felipeagarcia87@hotmail.com'
    Dj May 31, 2010 at 10:25 pm #

    in the mix!*

  38. felipeagarcia87@hotmail.com'
    Dj May 31, 2010 at 10:58 pm #

    People all I am saying is that, I hope that the Bulls don’t waste all of their time this summer on just trying to sign either: Lebron, Wade or Bosh and they end up with nothing leaving them no choice but, to wait next year again and they end up signing garbage players like: Aaron Gray, Brian Scalabrine, Jannero Pargo, Malik Allen, Devean George, Francisco Elson, Steven Hunter, Joe Alexander, or Sean May for example. Compare to the players that I mention. (Travis Outlaw, Kelenna Azubuike, Chris Duhon, Kyle Korver , Channing Frye, Rudy Gay, Carl Landry or Anthony Morrow.)

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    inkybreath June 1, 2010 at 1:11 am #

    (Could you leave Duhon off your lists, it just stings a bit, every time.)

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    Max June 1, 2010 at 2:41 am #

    DJ your so full of shit. You have always stated that the Bulls should not waste their time on any of the Stars and to just go straight for the sorry ass roster you have pieced together. Another thing you tea bagging piece of shit, the average bulls roster you are saying they had in 94 made it to the Eastern Conference Finals. Not bad for a bunch of nobody’s like you said.

    In 95 they had Jordan in the Playoffs so once again you go showing how little you actually know. If anyone should be REALISTIC it should be you, about how little knowledge you actually have about the Bulls.

  41. m_nazabal@yahoo.com'
    Max June 1, 2010 at 2:50 am #

    @ Trm3 and gay ass MAX!

    Both of you guys have to get off that strong grass you guys are smoking and quite while your ahead lol.

    Listen to what my smart fren said bullsfan76: Lee and Gay sounds like a prefect fix along with sum other people that agree with me that are being realistic.

    Another things guys, why do you want a top super star player? We already have Rose and Noah with Lee or Gay (hopefully) become 1 soon!

    Another thing guys, why settle for 1 max player when they can get 3 semi-star players with 4-5 solid players to the bulls team.

    You see, you guys are not thinking. Please start using your brains and do the math right. lol

    Hopefully, some day you guys will grow up and start facing reality and start seeing what real fans see like us. (Hint-key word: being realistic! lol)

    Comment by DJ — May 14, 2010 @ 6:27 am

    That’s to prove your full of shit in the things you say.

  42. bob.edwards47@yahoo.com'
    Boppinbob June 1, 2010 at 3:20 am #

    DJ, I really wish you would check yourself before you spout gas. The 93/94 Bulls won 55 games without MJ, and lost to the Knicks on a bad call in the Eastern Conference Finals in 7 games. The 94/95 Bulls had MJ for the final 1/3 of the season but lost H. Grant to the magic via FA. The Bulls lost in the second round to the Orlando Magic 2-4. After the 94/95 season the Bulls traded for Dennis Rodman and started their second three-peat. I think the Bulls should try for LeBron or Wade if possible. If they can’t get either of them I do not think there is another player worth a max contract. Therefore, I believe the Bulls should continue to build through the draft and trades, and collect role players in FA (which is how the Bulls got Paxson). If the Bulls do sign LeBron it will probably be via sign and trade and that would involve 2-3 players going to Cleveland and the Bulls would need to add 5-6 quality players to their roster to be contenders. If they do not sign LeBron then the Bulls need 4-5 quality players to contend.

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    Luke June 1, 2010 at 3:35 am #

    Yeah, DJ, I really think you struggle with this whole basketball topic you are trying to get in on.

    Let’s put player names in place of your statement:

    Why should we go after LeBron James, when we can go after David Lee and Rudy Gay.

    Are you kidding? Now I am one of the biggest haters of LeBron James. I hate him. I wish there was another option for winning multiple championships for the next 6 or 7 years. But there isn’t. I am being realistic, as you ask us to be, when I say that LeBron is the way to that many championships. Rudy Gay and David Lee are the way to Eastern Conference finals mixed with a few Finals appearances, but in the end, no championships.

    I do not like arguing here because we are all bulls fans, but some of the things you say are just not so bright and need to be addressed. And when you call some of us dumbasses, after making low IQ comments, and can’t even use 6th grade level grammar, I find it hard not to bash you. Please help me refrain from any more direct comments to your posts. Please.

  44. reggiemcglory@yahoo.com'
    reggie June 1, 2010 at 5:04 am #

    first off I like a good debate or a show of other ppls views but yet I think the more I have time to mul it over the more I would like to see the bulls go after two or three mid level players who knows ,one of them might be a budding star if not they can sure be good role players if we get one player and he gets hurt or just does not mesh with the team we might have another over spending on a player yet LBJ and wade yes any other max player out there is not in this free agency Paxton read this if its not wade or LBJ then you best have two or three here come July 1 Got It

  45. felipeagarcia87@hotmail.com'
    Dj June 1, 2010 at 5:42 am #

    Wow, I can see some of guys know your Bulls history! well good for you. (face ass lol) Come down people, I am fully aware of the Bulls history in the 90′s! I was just testing some of you guys to see if you know your knowledge. Anyways my point was that without MJ the Bulls, would have not won those 6 championship titles period!!! Am I right or wrong? (just made my point again)

    Another thing, I never said we should give up on the Lebron James, D. Wade or Chris Bosh idea. I just don’t see it happening for some reason.

    All I am hoping this summer is that the Bulls do not waste to much time on trying to sign either 1 of those top star players and they end up with nothing.

    Leaving the Bulls with nothing but, garbage players available. Remember people, the Bulls are not the only team with a backup plan if they can not plan Lebron, Wade or Bosh this summer.

    For example, kind of like Portland did this season by trying to sign Hedo Turkoglu last summer as their top priority and they ended up failing.

    AND HOW AM I FULL OF SHIT MAX??? What was your point with that comment I left you a long time ago? I will tell you NOTHING! Just like you love changing you words by thing to make yourself look smart. lol

    YES, I DID MENTION GAY AND LEE as my top guys IF Lebron JAMES say no TO the BULLS. (which he probably will) In other words, I was just saying, it is not a huge lost if the Bulls can not sign Lebron James this summer because they can always add 4-5 solid guys that fix well with D. Rose to their roster without losing much valuable player or money.

    Another thing, people are we forget about D. Rose and J. Noah development from this season carrying on to the next season by making them our new top super star players!!! What you guys don’t have any faith in them to get us a championship title next season or in the future with 4-5 quality good players that fit well with them??? Some fans you guys are lol jk.

    I don’t know about you guys but, I believe in them, that is why I am not all upon Lebron James or D. Wade nuts this off season. If we get sign either 1 Lebron, Wade or Bosh then I am happy camper. If not, o0o well it is not the end of the world…

  46. felipeagarcia87@hotmail.com'
    Dj June 1, 2010 at 5:44 am #

    if they can not land Lebron, Wade or Bosh this summer*

  47. felipeagarcia87@hotmail.com'
    Dj June 1, 2010 at 5:45 am #

    Just like you love changing your words around, by trying to make yourself look smart. lol*

  48. felipeagarcia87@hotmail.com'
    Dj June 1, 2010 at 5:50 am #

    And thank you reggie, at least someone here is understanding what my message is all about. (HINT: QUICK BACKUP PLANS) IF LEBRON, WADE OR BOSH say NO TO THE BULLS!

  49. felipeagarcia87@hotmail.com'
    Dj June 1, 2010 at 6:08 am #

    then I am a happy camper, if not o0o well it is not the end of the world…*

  50. m_nazabal@yahoo.com'
    Max June 1, 2010 at 6:25 am #

    Yes DJ I am sure you make ignorant comments just to test us and see if we will call you out on it…….Your an idiot. You all along have said don’t even try to sign a superstar because non of them would want to come here, because they have better options. If you say anything different your a Liar. Now I am not the only one calling you out for stupidity. Better log on as Bill Thomas or Lopes and talk shit to me.

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