Derrick Rose’s highlight block from the Raptors game generated some interesting discussion. By The Horns reader Antz noticed that Rose has more blocked shots on the season (48) than LeBron James (46). While I was double-checking that stat, I also noted that Rose has more offensive rebounds (78) than LeBron (77).
I found these numbers kind of fascinating considering that LeBron is well-known for his chase-down blocks and overall rebounding ability. Rose obviously isn’t in position to snare as many defensive boards as LeBron, but the fact that he’s grabbed more offensive boards says something about the effort he’s been giving this season.
In fact, get this, Rose has has 30 more offensive rebounds than Dirk Nowitzki (47). Dirk’s a seven-footer, by the way. Rose also has more offensive boards than the 6’9″ Kevin Durant (54) and almost as many as the 6’11” Kevin Garnett (80). And Rose is a better offensive rebounder than a whole bunch of small forwards.
Getting back to the blocked shot thing, Rose is the leader in blocked shots among point guards by a country mile. Shaun Livingston is in second place with 29. Rose has more blocked shots than several power forwards and centers, too.
I love how when he gets fouled by bayless on that drive (watch Bayless pull on Rose’s right arm at the 2 sec mark) he doesn’t turn and bitch since the play is still alive, he just turns around, runs back down court and dominates.
That is utterly amazing. He has more blocks than Fake Tough too.
Wow. The offensive rebounding stat is the cherry on top. Let’s hit all the MVP forums with these stats… MATT, MAKE SURE THIS GETS ON TRUEHOOP!
(It’s up there … maybe I will check first, before opening my mouth!)
Like Kevin Love, Rose gets a lot of offensive rebounds on his own missed layups. He gets to the rim so fast that he has time to miss and recollect that miss before the defense can grab it. Slow guys like Dirk — who also shoot a lot of jumpers — obviously won’t have that luxury.
Interesting observation, but measuring these kind of stats in isolation is somewhat meaningless. Rose having a high number of offensive rebounds likely also means that he is not running back on defensive. I don’t think measuring this on its own tells of rebounding “ability”. Rondo has 83 offensive rebounds and Westbrook 115, so for a rebounding guard, Rose is not exceptional (in fact, per game, he is not even top 10).
D-Wade leads all guards with 82 blocks and 121 offensive rebounds. That’s a whopping 36 more blocks and 43 more offensive rebounds than Rose…
That being said, I am stunned at Lebron James’ production on the offensive glass and in blocks. He had his best season in 08-09 in blocks with (only) 93 and in 07-08 in offensive rebounds with 133. Those numbers are shockingly low to me and show that he is not aggressive enough when he is not shooting the ball and does not make the effort play in half-court defense (which does not include chase-down blocks)
Its pretty amazing that Derrick leads all pgs by almost double. However, I think it is even more amazing that D-Wade has EIGHTY TWO BLOCKS. Also, LeBron’s blocks are way down from the last few years ago, I am assuming because he cannot provide as much help from the weak side as in years past, or maybe because D-Wade fills that role on the Heat. Do blocks have a significant impact on PER? Assuming it is less than steals, because a block isn’t necessarily a TO…
Abbott is typically pretty fair. Hollinger is the one this info needs to find.
neat stuff!
i think it is also worth mentioning that D Rose has missed 1 game while LeBron has missed ~4 games… i wonder what the per game / per 36 minutes stats are on those
Great focus on Wade.
He makes a very concerted effort, almost every night to hunt down shots. He is an innate competitor all around (in a way that separates him from LeBron, imho).
@Anon
“…I don’t think measuring this on its own tells of rebounding “ability”. Rondo has 83 offensive rebounds and Westbrook 115, so for a rebounding guard, Rose is not exceptional (in fact, per game, he is not even top 10).”
Actually it does say something about his ability to rebound. Considering that he is the one that makes the offense ‘go round’ and Thibs’ amazing defensive scheme is what the defense ‘go round;’ doesn’t it make a little sense that he spends more energy on offense than on defense? Since he can’t count on the majority of his teammates to provide the offense, perhaps he has the ‘green light’ to lag a bit on getting back on defense to see if there is a second chance opportunity to score. Furthermore, since he is arguably the fastest player in the league and with a full head of steam almost impossible to stop on the break, perhaps he has the ‘green light’ to take off right when the opposing team shoots the ball.
In my humble opinion, a player with his freakish athleticism that is tops in offensive rebounding, and has a team with the best defense, though doesn’t rank near the top in defensive rebounding sorta says something about doing what is asked of him (you know, since they are #1 in the East) and not worrying about getting triple doubles/being a “20-10-50” player.
Just a thought.
The comments let me know the haters are still hating on Rose yet lets point some things out quick.
1) Wade is a (sg) not a point
2) Rose leads his team to the best record in the east.
3)His blocks/Rebounds and his over all play are leaps above all (pg’s in the NBA
4)Rose not only is the best pg in the NBA but also the most hard working one in the league.Note his mins played.
5)last but not least in his third year he has manage to pick up his scoring/rebounds/defense and his leadership of the team, also noting has had to play without boozer and noah for long periods of time this year and without, boozer when they played the toughest part of there games of the season .
Enough said peace.
you can’t expect your penetrating point guard to always be the first player to rotate back defensively. wing players are just as responsible for getting back on “d” if not more so on the Bulls given our system. the rebounding stats are great but the blocks are what really separates D Rose this season from last. He is more consistently challenging shots and using the freakish athleticism on both sides of the court.
Second the point that 6 made, it could be Derrick Rose taking too many risks and not getting back on D in time.
Another factor may be that Rose is “stealing” blocks from teammates. The Bulls have a 50% better block rate with Rose off the floor than with him on the floor. I’ll have to watch film, but perhaps he guards his man all the way to the rim instead of funneling and switching once help comes.
People are complaining about rose not getting back on D??? One of the biggest problems in the NBA is lack of players following their shot. The amount of second chance points that the Bulls get significantly outweigh the amount of times that they could get beat in transition because their point guard isn’t back in time. Don’t hate