Free Agent Watch: The LeBron rumors continue to gain steam

Here’s some semi-major news from Mike McGraw of the Daily Herald: Not long after his Cavaliers got booted from the NBA playoffs, LeBron James made a quick phone call to Derrick Rose. And he didn’t do it to discuss the virtures of Chicago-style pizza…which we all already know is awesome.

McGraw writes: “Shortly after Cleveland was eliminated by Boston in the second round of the Eastern Conference playoffs, James placed a call to Bulls guard Derrick Rose. What did they talk about? Word is, James said he likes Rose’s game, likes his team and would welcome the chance to play together. … The James phone call to Rose was mentioned by ESPN reporter Scoop Jackson and confirmed by a league source.”

McGraw is quick to point out that LeBron may have made similar phone calls to Miami’s Dwyane Wade and Toronto’s Chris Bosh. We also know that other teams — the Clippers, Heat, Knicks and Nets — potentially have what it takes (money and/or existing talent) to land James. And let’s not forget that James could still choose to remain in Cleveland. So it would be a tad bit premature to declare the coach-less Bulls a frontrunner in the LeBron sweepstakes. But, at the very least, they appear to be in the running. And that’s an encouraging thought.

Say what you will about LeBron’s antics — the boogy dancing, the faux photography, the occasional grandstanding — if you have a chance to sign the best player in the league, you do it. No questions asked. I’m sure that’s what Chicago’s front office is thinking right about now.

Speaking of the Bulls’ coachlessness, K.C. Johnson of the Chicago Tribune continues to play up the Calipari-LeBron connection: “League sources said Sunday that noted NBA power broker William Wesley continues to work back channels to sell John Calipari and James as a package deal to franchises such as the Bulls, Nets and Clippers with coaching vacancies and salary cap room. Another league source confirmed that an unknown Calipari connection contacted Bulls management over the weekend.”

However, there are a few problems with Johnson’s report.

First off, ESPN’s Andy Katz writes: “A source close to Wesley told ESPN.com that Wesley had not contacted the Bulls or any other team about a James/Calipari package deal … [A] source with knowledge of the Bulls front office’s thinking said that at no point has there been discussion about packaging Calipari to get James to come to Chicago. The source also said that bringing Calipari along to get James would lessen Calipari’s status in the locker room, because he’d be seen as the coach who is there only because of James.”

Second, on Monday morning, Calipari used his Twitter account to once again dismiss the “Cal-to-the-NBA” speculation: “Now, do I have to respond to these rumors too?”

And finally, according to the South Florida Sun-Sentinel, Calipari told top basketball recruit Brandon Knight that he’s staying put at Kentucky. Said Knight: “He said he’s not leaving and that he’ll be there. I”m not really worried.”

Now, let’s journey from the world of cloudy facts to the realm of pure conjecture. 

According to ESPN’s Bill Simmons, LeBron James’ final decision this summer — either staying in Cleveland or signing with another team — will tell us what he values most: winning, loyalty or immortality.

Simmons says that valuing loyalty will keep LeBron in Cleveland whereas the desire for immortality would probably land him in New York. As for winning, Simmons believes there’s only one choice.

Chicago.

Said Simmons: “If [LeBron] cares about winning titles (multiple) and reaching his full potential as a player, he has only one move: the Chicago Bulls. That’s always been the play. If you’ve been listening to my podcast or reading this column, you know that I’ve been touting this possibility since the winter, and here’s why: Deep down, I think LeBron (and, just as important, the people around him) realizes that he needs one more kick-ass player to make his life easier. That means Miami or Chicago. And really, I can’t imagine him signing with Miami because Dwyane Wade is almost too good. LeBron wants help, but he doesn’t want to be perceived as riding someone else’s coattails, either. Wade might be the best player alive for all we know — he certainly was in 2006, and he’s been banged-up and trapped on bad teams ever since.

“No, Chicago makes more sense. Derrick Rose and Joakim Noah proved they were warriors these past two springs. They could be LeBron’s Pippen/Grant or McHale/DJ. Easily. Rose could take the creative load off LeBron on nights when he doesn’t have it. Rose could come through a few times in the clutch. Rose could hide some of LeBron’s faults. It’s the single smartest basketball move for LeBron James.”

I have to agree. Of course, nobody other than LeBron really knows what LeBron’s value system is like. Furthermore, we have no idea what James perceives as “the smart basketball move.” So even if James values winning over everything else — and how can you measure that anyway? — it’s possible he might see wisdom in other options (even, say, signing with the Los Angeles Clippers).

My grandpa always used to tell me: “It’s a good thing we’re all different, or everybody would have been after your grandma.” He meant that not only do we all want different things, our perception of what we want and what those things mean can vary by a lot.

It’s impossible to tell what’s going on in LeBron’s mind…but that won’t keep us all from speculating about it endlessly. Until he finally makes a decision, that is.

Update! ESPN’s John Hollinger rates Rose pretty low as a potential running mate for LeBron: “Rose’s game is hardly a perfect match for James. He wants the ball in his hands (second among point guards in usage rate), and while he’s a very good midrange shooter, he doesn’t have the catch-and-shoot, long-range game that would help space the floor for LeBron when he’s off the ball. While Rose is likely to improve in the coming years, and would form a devastating running mate in transition, the combo isn’t ideal.”

Update! Dissenting opinion time. ESPN’s David Thorpe thinks a LeBron and Rose teamup could work: “Some point guards, like Jameer Nelson, are better controlling the game at a more moderate tempo, and while they surely can be successful next to LeBron, they’re not right for this style. Our guy has to be a pace pusher who relentlessly attacks the basket in the mold of Derrick Rose or Russell Westbrook. They are both great one-on-one scorers and have big bodies that can punish guards in the paint off cuts and seals, making them perfect receivers for LeBron in the halfcourt.”

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51 Responses to Free Agent Watch: The LeBron rumors continue to gain steam

  1. Wes R May 18, 2010 at 12:33 pm #

    (Long time reader, first time commenter.)

    I disagree with Hollinger’s assessment that a Rose-James isn’t ideal based on usage rates from last season. That essentially presumes that how a player is used in that offense is the ideal situation.

    Rose’s usage rates are pretty high since the Bulls offense last year was quite simplistic on all accounts. Given the fact that James is one of the top passers in the league, and Rose can move fairly well without the ball, I wouldn’t rate this pairing as strained as Hollinger does. I think he overrates the necessity of pairing catch and shoot players with James. We all saw how Cleveland spot up shooters fared in the Boston series.

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    ctw724 May 18, 2010 at 1:16 pm #

    FYI:

    Scoop Jackson, who was on a Cleveland radio station yesteday, said that the Rose and LeBron phone call was just BARBER SHOP TALK started by him and it is getting WAY OVER-BLOWN in the media.

    I think it was an ESPN radio affiliate in Cleveland.

    I would look up the PODCAST of what he said.

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    Enigmatik May 18, 2010 at 1:20 pm #

    John Hollinger needs to shut his pie hole

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    Mahmoud May 18, 2010 at 1:47 pm #

    I hate that his articles aren’t free anymore. Does anyone else feel kinda stupid for following every hint of a rumor because you realize that absolutely nothing CAN happen until July 1st, and that nothing probably WILL happen until July 15th or so?

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    Tony C. May 18, 2010 at 2:27 pm #

    That quote from Hollinger reveals a staggering lack of insight for a purported expert.

    “He wants the ball in his hands…” Gee, really? Rose’s “usage rate” has nothing to do with the fact that the Bulls have had so few other offensive options (especially post-Gordon)? I’ve seen nothing in either his personality, nor his game, which suggests that he would be uncomfortable sharing the ball with anyone who can put it in the hole.

    “…he doesn’t have the catch-and-shoot, long-range game that would help space the floor…” Really? A player who improved his shooting significantly in his first two years in the league doesn’t have the potential to develop an accurate long-range shot?

    “…the combo isn’t ideal.” Really? LeBron has never had anyone remotely close to Rose to run with, and vice versa. They would be a nightmare duo for opposing teams, for painfully obvious reasons. Furthermore, Hollinger is talking as if neither one of them could possibly adjust their games for the benefit of the team. What a load of crap.

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    thirdsaint May 18, 2010 at 3:07 pm #

    Hollinger’s info is useless to me. The only reason Rose had the ball in his hands so much is he WAS our offense and all we really had. Fans and experts begged him to shoulder more of the load and because he did all of a sudden he HAS to have the ball in his hand? Goes to show Hollinger doesn’t actually watch basketball, he just looks at the numbers afterwards.

    If Lebron came here he’d be the focal point of our offense and Rose wouldn’t have to do as much. Rose would be the PG he’s always needed in Cleveland and I think he’d happily take a lesser offensive role (in terms of scoring) to win games. Have people forgotten how humble and willing Rose is to win?

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    rocky May 18, 2010 at 3:15 pm #

    Hollinger always dogs the bulls…what a turd.

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    Max May 18, 2010 at 3:17 pm #

    Hollinger has and always will be a waste of a read. I could see if D.Rose was averaging 30 a game like Kevin Durant but he’s not even close to that . Granted when he scored 27 or more they usaully won but that was only because there was no other scoring option. Deng only crept his head out of his turtle shell a few times this year but thankfully he did during the playoffs. My point is that if D.Rose had scoring options his assists will shoot up and all the talk of hi dominating the ball will stop. Tony C. as you know when we have a coach that can run more than 3 plays in a game he will just continue to improve his PG play.

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    Logan May 18, 2010 at 3:46 pm #

    It would remain to be seen whether Derrick Rose, Joakim Noah, and LeBron James could form the core of a title team…but sending Deng to the second unit could easily improve our depth, especially with a late first round draft pick/other free agents.

    I’d bet on that team winning a few games for sure. I don’t think that Noah’s intensity would be lost on LeBron either.

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    PJ May 18, 2010 at 4:53 pm #

    Why hasn’t anybody pointed out that college ball and pro ball are different, and college coaches suck in the NBA? Pitino? Montgomery? How about Tim Floyd? Remember him? And wasn’t the fact that he coached Fizer in college a plus? And isn’t that what people are saying about Cal and Rose?

    Seriously, this KC Johnson guy is a real dip-ass, but so is everybody else who doesn’t immediately dismiss the idea of hiring a college coach.

  11. John May 18, 2010 at 5:18 pm #

    Im tired of people dogging hollinger! His numbers work! Quit hating on him just cause you dont like what he has to say! Im watchin espn and the majority of the reporters agree with hollinger.

    Could rose and lebron play together? yes definetely. The problem is that they dont compliment each other as well as others would. They both would sacrifice to help the team, but that would take away from each others strength. Use someone who compliments rose. I think roughly the same strategy should be used as far as gettin lebron a running mate. Go after bosh! Neither would have to overly sacrifice(like lebron and rose would) in order to work together. Bosh is the perfect fit to this team. Teams need a post scorer to win! Past 12 years everyone has had a big post player plus a good peremiter player. Thats the formula! And always has been.

    Only exception is MJ and Pippen BUT MJ was the best playey EVER! LBJ is not…sry.

    Bosh is the key. plus 1 or 2 3pt shooters.

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    Savage May 18, 2010 at 7:31 pm #

    John, the problem with Hollinger and the like is their immediate desire to classify Rose as a scoring guard like J. Nelson. I take real issue with that. We lost some prime time scorers last year and what the team NEEDED Rose to do was to score. I think Rose would be just as happy taking fewer shots and getting more assist to win ball games. The classic “NEEDS/WANTS the ball in his hands all the time” is foolish if you really know who D. Rose the player is. His ego is fully in check unlike many stars allowing him to do whatever is needed to win ball games.

    If he and LBJ teamed up the rest of the league should be put on notice that the Bulls are back on the radar. Both Rose and James can pass well and both can score well. How that is a problem eludes me. Adding a few more pieces beyond LBJ would all but guarantee we are contenders for many years to come.

    As far as winning now and the future I don’t even think it is close. The Bulls are the first option outside of Cleveland right now. Miami is the only other team worth consideration if winning now and in the future are the true driving force behind the decision. The Nets? The Knicks? The Clippers? Not very enticing when comparing them to Chicago or Miami.

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    BULL4EVER May 18, 2010 at 7:32 pm #

    The Bulls are in a win-win situation because they will see NBA titles with or without LeBron,this Bulls team will see 50 NBA titles with LeBron in the mix,that is the only difference.And the king will have to choose the windy city if he is totally serious about winning NBA titles also.GO BULLS.

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    Justin May 18, 2010 at 7:33 pm #

    I love how all the major news outlets keep mentioning the Calipari thing, obviously not gonna happen.

    Latest one that I’ve heard is Doc Rivers coming over to coach the Bulls.

    Lebron can dance and take fake pictures all he wants in Chicago, as long as he is winning championships he’s good in my book

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    Boppinbob May 18, 2010 at 7:45 pm #

    Let’s let the FA discussion go for a while. Before the FA period a little thing called the draft will occur. The Bulls have 1 pick, the 17th overall. What they do with that pick may indicate what they will try to do in FA. Will they go big man or shooting guard? Will it really make a difference in the FA chase? Can the 17th pick be expected in a major way in their first season?

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    Savage May 18, 2010 at 7:52 pm #

    We could really use a Center to be honest with you Boppinbob. Sure we need a SG & PF, but if i’m not mistaken Miller is a FA and if we don’t get him back we have NO backup Center on the Roster. Even if Miller comes back he is getting much older we need another center. It is not a flashy pick but I say get the best Center available not sure who that may be I do not get the chance to pay too much attention to college ball.

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    Bam! May 18, 2010 at 8:13 pm #

    This is going to be a long one, OK? ;P

    Rocky suggested a lineup like this:

    PG: Rose
    PF: Bosh
    SF: James
    C: Noah
    SG: Some rookie SG

    I think that a team like that would be similar to an All-Star team. Sure, we’ll have great players. Outstanding players, even. However, does that necessarily mean a great team? I’m not positive how to say what I’m thinking, so I hope you guys will understand me.

    Also, will this team help progress Rose, Gibson, and Noah into top-tier players? Think about it.

    Before everyone starts jumping onto the FA bandwagon, let’s quickly look at the Bulls team and see the biggest gaps this year position-wise so we can have some priorities.

    PG: Derrick Rose; I’m pretty sure we’re not lacking here. Rose MUST be a starter for him to develop into his full potential. Bringing in another all-star PG would be silly.

    SG: Kirk Hinrich? Flip Murray? I don’t think so. This is one of the biggest gaps in the Bulls team. I must admit, I love Flip. I think he should stay as a backup SG. However, Captain Kirk should go. There’s something about him that I really like, but we need a SG with a consistent jump-shot. This is probably the biggest gap in the team.

    SF: Another gap. Sure, Deng’s a good player, but is he really the best we can do? I like how he defends LeBron James, he’s very good at that, but he is a bit redundant, and overpaid.

    PF: Taj Gibson; this man will continue to be an asset to the team in years to come, just watch. Taj is a man I would rather not depart with. Like Rose, he MUST be a starter in order to develop his full potential. I’m not sure that James playing alongside Taj would be the best for Taj’s growth, but I’m just speculating.

    C: Joakim Noah: another strong position. In the next 3 years, I think Noah will grow into one of the best centers in the league. Another category where he MUST be a starter. Of course, I don’t think anyone is talking about bringing in another center….

    OK, so it seems that the biggest gaps in the team are SG and SF. However, Taj Gibson can play well at SF or PF, so let’s make it SG and F.

    For SG, the big 4 free agents would be Dwyane Wade, Joe Johnson, Manu Ginobili, and Ray Allen. Since the Bulls really need some 3-point shooting, I will order those 4 in order from best 3P% to worst. Ginobili, Johnson, Allen, Wade. Of course, all of them are .300 or better, so none are bad shooters. Ray Allen might not be the best choice. He is 34 and aging quickly, so I’m not sure he will be the best choice for our young team. The highest 3P% out of the remaining three goes to Ginobili, and the highest FG% goes to Wade. Manu is 32 now, and his health is sometimes in question, so I’d rather play it safe and cross him out. That leaves Johnson or Wade.

    For PF, the big 3 would be Bosh, Stoudemire, and Boozer. If we go for youth, the answer is Bosh. If we go for 3P%, the answer is Bosh. If we go for FG%, the answer is Boozer, but not far behind are Amare Stoudemire. If we go for FT%, the answer is Bosh. If we go for rebounds, the answer is Boozer, soon followed by Bosh. Bosh has less turnovers per game than any of the other 3. I could go on, but the point is that the choice should be between Bosh and Boozer.

    For SF, the 3 players to look at would be LeBron James (of course), Paul Pierce, and Travis Outlaw. Since the Celtics have Kevin Garnett in their pockets until 2012, they will definitely pursue Pierce as much as possible. Also, Pierce has not shown any desire to leave Boston, so we can probably scratch out his name. That leaves LeBron and Travis, both 25. If we go for assists, the answer is James. If we go for three point shooting, the answer is Travis. Rebounds? James. Blocks? James. Steals? James. Free throws? Travis. Field goals? James. Statistically, it seems as though LeBron is the top pick here.

    That leaves the following decisions to be made before we can move on:

    Joe Johnson or Dwyane Wade?

    Chris Bosh or Carlos Boozer?

    LeBron James or Travis Outlaw?

    I will first confront the LeBron or Travis question. Here’s an cool stat: LeBron James has 3.43 turnovers per game, or 0.09 turnovers per minute. Travis only has 0.94 turnovers per game, or 0.04 per minute. Also, considering that Travis plays half as many minutes as LeBron, they have about equivalent rebounding potential, because Travis has about half as many rpg as LeBron. Anyway, while LeBron is a far more valuable player to have on a team, he also is paid 5 times as much as Travis Outlaw. The wisest decision may be to pursue a max free agent other than LeBron (meaning stop it with the LeBron James comments) and try to grab Travis Outlaw as an inexpensive, but highly profitable addition to the team. So for this question, my vote goes to Travis Outlaw.

    Next, the Chris Bosh or Carlos Boozer question. For me, this is a no-brainer. It seems to me that adding Carlos Boozer to the Chicago Bulls would cause a huge redundancy. Boozer is a great player, but he still will not fill the gaping hole of jump shots. We need a scoring threat from beyond the 3 point line, and Bosh can do this. He also has a higher FT% and less turnovers than Boozer. Bosh is also younger.

    Joe Johnson or Dwyane Wade? Trust me, I really love Dwyane Wade, but he has the same game as Rose. In a few years, I truly believe that Rose would be about the same as Wade is now. Johnson is a better three point shooter than Wade and commits less turnovers than Wade. I believe Wade is a better player overall than Johnson, but Johnson is a better fit for the Bulls.

    Now, the decision is between Joe Johnson and Chris Bosh. Chris Bosh is taller and younger than Johnson. Bosh also has a higher FG%, and performs more rebounds and blocks than Johnson. Meanwhile, Johnson maintains the advantage over Bosh in 3P%, FT%, steals, and assists. However, the difference between Johnson and Bosh’s 3P% and FT% is incredibly incremental. Look at this:

    3P% FT%
    Bosh 0.364 0.797
    Johnson 0.369 0.818

    The difference between them in those categories, especially 3P% is so small that one could say the two players are equally good in those areas. So, I would easily choose Bosh over Johnson.

    Long story short, my current opinion is that we should pursue the combination of Chris Bosh and Travis Outlaw. And yes, we CAN afford that, considering that Travis Outlaw is only getting 3.6 million.

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    Will May 18, 2010 at 8:26 pm #

    In response to Savage’s comments on having a backup center, I believe we have the option to sign Turkish player Ömer A??k if need be. 7 footer putting up some respectable numbers in the Turkish League & Euroleague.

    We’ll see how that translates to the NBA if it comes to that, but it’s not like the Bulls don’t have options.

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    Boppinbob May 18, 2010 at 9:00 pm #

    Hi Savage, the Bulls need 2-3 centers, 2-3 forwards and 2-3 guards to fill out their roster. Some players they get should play multiple positions reducing the number of rosters spots to be filled. I agree that a C/PF would be one way to go. Another way to go could be a big SG/SF.

  20. bobbysimmons May 18, 2010 at 10:25 pm #

    I’ve brought this up before, but I still think Lebron’s headband might be a deal breaker.

    The Bulls brass hates them, they even refused to let Ben Wallace wear one. Will they just drop all of their standards to appease the King?

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    dlouis May 18, 2010 at 11:23 pm #

    I think the one thing that people overlook when talking about Rose playing with LeBron is Rose’s personality. He seems like a pretty humble guy who just wants to win. Additionally, he’s tight with BJ Armstrong, who probably knows how to play the point with a superstar. Rose isn’t a one dimensional PG who can only score. Like pretty much all of you have said, he pretty much had no other options on offense. If he was surrounded with better shooters, he could have easily averaged 2-3 more assists per game. Think about it this way, if Noah made 3 jumpers off pick and rolls (which would be reasonable), thats an extra 3apg.

    Going to the Bulls is the logical move for LeBron, but is he logical? A logical professional would be driven to win now, and multiple sources, none of whom I remember, have said that there he has no sense of urgency because he thinks he has plenty of time to win a championship. Plus ESPN, Nike and the NBA have been massaging his ego for years to the point where he might be damaged goods. He’s the guy who wore a shirt proclaiming that he is the NBA and called the Cleveland fans spoiled because they have been able to watch him play on a nightly basis for 7 years. Honestly, there is no one I would want more than LeBron because he is the best player in the NBA, but people need to start treating him like a player who still hasn’t reached his potential (championships) despite putting up insane numbers. He needs accountability more than responsibility on a team. The Cavs organization was so afraid to call him out because they thought he would leave, and I think Noah, Miller and Paxson would have no issues with bluntly telling him what’s up.

    On to Hollinger, I don’t want to call him a moron because he is obviously a pretty intelligent guy, but sometimes his numbers move him away from the truth. This is the guy who voted for Brook Lopez for ROY. Lopez had a great season, but he wasn’t able to accomplish what Rose was able to. Stats can help GMs build teams and explain the outcomes of games, so they aren’t completely useless, but you can learn more about a player outside the boxscore. Look at the way Dwight Howard alters shots, the way Rose is able to make space for his midrange jumper, Kobe’s killer instincts and LeBron’s lack of leadership.

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    Max May 18, 2010 at 11:36 pm #

    @ Bam Sorry but Ginobli signed a extension and anyone who say’s that Lebron James is only Statistically better than Travis Outlaw must not have a very good eye for talent…….really? Did you actually put that up in print? Why would there be a debate at all? That’s like turning down a Bentley for a Honda civic because you read it gets better gas mileage. If you don’t like him and you don’t want him on the bulls fine but damn that had me scratching my head.

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    Cal May 19, 2010 at 12:37 am #

    I see I’m in the minority here because I see the Knicks option as having the most viability. I’m telling you guys, what Worldwide Wes says is what goes. Its a fact. We all just need to follow that dude on twitter.

    http://diaryofatiredblackman.wordpress.com/2010/05/18/approach-cautiously-protein-race-and-rules/

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    Max May 19, 2010 at 1:12 am #

    I thought that was a Scott Skiles rule? But they did cave in and let him wear it so I don’t see the big deal now.

  25. Bullsfan22 May 19, 2010 at 1:55 am #

    Why don’t we just bring in Michael, Scottie, and Dennis from the 96′ team?

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    zilla2033 May 19, 2010 at 4:26 am #

    Trusting a word Hollinger says = ignorance. Want an example? How about this year when Noah and Deng were out and the Bulls went on that 10 game losing streak. Hollinger said they had a 90%+ chance of making the playoffs right before that happened. Want another example? When the Bulls finally got their team back, Hollinger had them with less than a 10% chance to make the playoffs….we know how that worked out.

    Something tells me Hollinger didn’t even know that Rose, Deng, or Noah were out with injuries this season. He would probably copy their statlines into his formulas (without noticing how many games they played) and then look at them later and say “My formula says the Bulls had many starters miss games this season. Where is my formula for plus/minus in wins so I can see how that affects them?”

  27. John May 19, 2010 at 5:10 am #

    zilla,

    Your post=ignorance. Your basically dogging hollinger for not having esp… noone could have forseen those injuries happening… If you could please let me know and while your at it tell me next weeks loto numbers..that would be great. thank you!

    His rankings dont take into accoutn what injuries might happen…no one can possible know that! You cannot fault him for that. Does he still mess up everyone once in a while yes? but who doesnt? His calculations come out right more times than not. Thats for sure.

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    DJ May 19, 2010 at 7:21 am #

    It’s not that we don’t want Lebron James Max, we just know that he is just teasing us and most of us have a feeling (like myself) that he is signing back with the Cav’s or with somebody else.

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    Max May 19, 2010 at 7:30 am #

    DJ you have said many times you don’t want him so there you go switching shit up again. Where will he sign if not with the Cavs. You obviously don’t think very highly of the Bulls if you think they have no shot at him over New York. That team has no players to play with, but you like them over the Bulls as you have said before. I’ll by you a Knicks jersey bro because Bill Simmons thinks the Knicks are gonna over pay for both Amare and Rudy Gay. That’s your boy!! And I think #22 is free for use up in the NY!!!

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    DJ May 19, 2010 at 7:51 am #

    Ok??? their you go again with your random comments. This time about NY? When does it end lol? I never said I didn’t like Lebron James, I just don’t see him coming here, that is why I am alway sayings “why waste our time.” I just gave you an example with NY because you do know he was born there right? and you do know is a Yankee fan right? (I hope so lol) your starting to scare me Max lol.

    Then again we mate not know that about Amare and Gay signing with NY, when you just said they suck. That is your Opinion so idk about that buddy nice try….

    Remember Max, the main focus for teams right now is Lebron James not Amare or my boi Rudy Gay.

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    DJ May 19, 2010 at 7:51 am #

    know he is*

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    Trm3 May 19, 2010 at 10:00 am #

    Actually guys..Ben Wallace got to wear his headband cause Scott left it up to the players..who took a vote, lol

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    Trm3 May 19, 2010 at 10:02 am #

    The headband thing is still in affect though..It’s more of a Pax thing cause Devin Brown wore one in New Orleans, not with us tho…we said “ahhh, hell nah!”

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    zilla2033 May 19, 2010 at 1:49 pm #

    John, don’t call me ignorant, especially since the situations I spoke of didn’t require ESP. The injuries already happened! Nice choice of a name btw.

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    Luke May 19, 2010 at 2:56 pm #

    All you Hollinger haters need to relax. You do realize his playoff predictor is a mathematical predictor, right? So the bulls 90% chance before the injuries was because they were 7 games over .500 and pushing to the 5th seed. There is no mathematical equation to predict those injuries or even that the bulls would lose 10 in a row.

    Hollinger is a mathematical genius in terms of sports and should not be taken for any more than that. He is not a fan who watches every game and gets “feelings” about a team’s chance. You have to take everything that his stats show with a grain of salt, because it is solely based off of what is written on paper. He knows it. We know it. If you don’t know it, then you don’t know much about the nba. Hollinger is just the guy who is here to say, “Hey look, if you believe in trends and how good teams are on paper, this is what you can expect to happen”.

    Personally, I love reading what Hollinger says. There are tons of guys all over the internet/newspaper/tv that have their OPINIONS on what is and isn’t going to happen. No one person has a formula for feeling out how a team is going to play, and therefore I have a hard time listening to one guy every time. But with Hollinger, you know you are getting the same formula for every team every time, and I like that consistency. I do believe the NBA follows trends and 75% of the time Hollinger’s math is a great predictor. But Chris Bosh getting elbowed in the face and Boston’s inability to show up emotionally doesn’t show up on paper.

    If you’re not a trend/stats guy, that’s fine, but don’t claim Hollinger is an idiot. If you call him an idiot, you’re basically saying you are smarter than mathematics, and let’s be honest, we all know you aren’t.

  36. bobbysimmons May 19, 2010 at 4:08 pm #

    Yeah you’re right Skiles and the team did fold to Ben Wallace and his headband, but I think he eventually ditched it too just for team camaraderie. Other players who came to the Bulls in recent years, Salmons, Murray, Warrick all ditched their headbands too. But since we’re willing to appease Ben Wallace, the worst signing in Bulls history, then Lebron would get his way (via team vote).

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    Max May 19, 2010 at 4:15 pm #

    @ MAX

    What are you talking about??? My Bulls roster is a beast with adding those new players! and its a more realistic roster that can happen! What your roster MAX? wait let me guess don’t tell:
    Starter:
    PG: D. Rose
    SG: D. Wade
    SF: Lebron James
    PF: Chris Bosh
    C: J. NOah
    Bench:
    SG: Joe Johnson
    G; Hinrich
    PF: Carlos Boozer
    and others top players right???

    Well MAX, all I can say to you is keep on dreaming! and do you math right b-cuz it is not going to happen and next time you want to leave a comment be more realistic in what players the Bulls can get like: Lee, Gay, Morrow and other semi-player like that.

    Comment by DJ — May 13, 2010 @ 7:35 am

    Here you go DJ you Liar. Here is my point you made up me wanting those All Star players

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    Max May 19, 2010 at 4:24 pm #

    #

    1st of all Max, their is no reason 4 me to think about that b-cuz he is not coming to Chicago.*

    Comment by DJ — May 15, 2010 @ 10:16 pm
    #

    But hopefully that does not happen….

    Comment by DJ — May 15, 2010 @ 10:17 pm

    There you go saying you hope Lebron does not come to Chicago, So you can Lie all you want but I’ll always set you straight and call you out when you Lie. Nobody likes a Liar Dj you should just man up and admit your actually a Pistons fan!!

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    Luke May 19, 2010 at 4:58 pm #

    Come on Max and DJ, let’s not turn this into some stupid youtube argument. we’re all bulls fans here. Take that elsewhere

  40. John May 19, 2010 at 5:13 pm #

    Luke,

    I love what your having to say…first w/hollinger and now with max and dj. I tried tellin them that the other day but they in their own lil world.

    As for you zilla, you can tell my parents that, cause they the ones who gave me that name.

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    Max May 19, 2010 at 6:19 pm #

    Luke as much as I question that DJ really is a Bulls fan, your right. I won’t respond to that guy anymore.

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    Max May 19, 2010 at 8:08 pm #

    Hey John I don’t remember you ever trying to tell me anything. I’m sorry, I would have respectfully responded to you. I respect your opinion but I don’t have to agree with it.

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    Luke May 20, 2010 at 12:53 am #

    Alright, You guys can take this however you want, but just so you know, its enough to have me a semi-believer.

    A friend ran into Derrick Rose at a restaurant the other night. The friend isn’t a huge sports fan, but still knew he should go talk to him. He asked Rose what the bulls were going to do with all the money they have.

    A summary of Rose’s response: Sign and Trade for LeBron and sign Bosh. On top of that, he said that LeBron has been looking at homes for the last week somewhere north on the north side.

    Normally that would not mean a lot to me, but seeing as it is the 2nd time now that I have heard about LeBron shopping for homes in the Chicago area, I am starting to think this whole LeBron to the Bulls thing is going to happen.

    I am not really looking to get responses from non-believers: I understand this is basically an anonymous message board where anyone can say anything. But being a die-hard bulls fan and being as up to date as possible, I tell you that I am 75% convinced that LeBron IS looking for homes here and I believe LeBron/Bosh has a high chance of happening.

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    LUVMYBULLS May 20, 2010 at 3:02 am #

    According to Salary cap expert Larry Coon if the Bulls did a sign-and-trade for James involving Deng, they’d be about $1.1 million short to sign the likes of Chris Bosh or Dwayne Wade. So If you add an additional player in that trade like a James Johnson who reportedly makes 1.5 million your good. Now you can acquire a Chris Bosh. Now charlotte is need of a point guard in a major way. If we trade Kirk Hinrich for Stephen Jackson we would have an dangerous extremely dangerous line-up. Because Even if you sign a Lebron James you still will have to be able to match up to a Orlando or Lakers to Win It all. Just image this line-up.

    1 Derrick Rose PG 21 6-3 190 Memphis $5,184,480
    12 Shannon Brown PG 24 6-4 210 $3,990,000
    2 Sherron Collins PG 23 5-11 200 $855,000.

    7 Stephen Jackson SG 32 6-8 215 $7,650,000
    42 Tony Allen SG 28 6-4 213 $3,500,000

    6 LeBron James SF 25 6-8 250 $25,779,912
    5 Damion James SF 22 6-8 224 $1,500,00.

    4 Chris Bosh PF 26 6-10 230 $20,779,912
    22 Taj Gibson F 24 6-9 225 $1,039,800

    13 Joakim Noah C 25 6-11 232 $2,455,680
    31 Darko Milicic C 24 7-0 275 $4,540,000
    27 Johan Petro C 24 7-0 247 $4,825,497

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    Boppinbob May 20, 2010 at 3:35 am #

    I like the idea of adding LeBron to the Bulls roster, I do not like the idea of adding Bosh, he’s soft and a non-entity on defense. I wonder who will be involved in the sign and trade for LeBron? I also wonder how many years LeBron is going to sign for. It could be a four year contract with the option to opt out after 3 years. Ehlo’s comments were interesting.

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    DJ May 20, 2010 at 4:34 am #

    GO MAX! he should get drafted to the BUlls lol

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    Max May 20, 2010 at 6:04 am #

    I agree BoppinBob Bosh is very Soft and a true alpha dog would have put on a face mask and got his team into the playoffs even if it damaged his face. The guy already looks like the Predator so it couldn’t have hurt his looks that much!!

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    Trm3 May 20, 2010 at 9:56 am #

    Bosh could be soft all he wants. LeBron, Noah, and Rose would be the guys..besides Gasol is soft himself, He seems to be doing pretty good

    Luke, after reading ur posts..it sounds to good to be true but I believe u, ur posts aren’t all about getting James so u wouldn’t make up some story..so when u speak of James lookin at places here, it’s believeable.

    I feel if we got Bron and Bosh..it would seem like we’d have to much talent..is there such a thing??

    Btw I’d laugh my ass off if New York got nothing after clearing all that space to land LeBron..and for all those fans that have those James New York jersey’s, how stupid would they feel??..Serves them right! Tards..

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    DJ May 21, 2010 at 6:15 am #

    GO Trm3-Max! he is the smartest bulls fan I even mate thinking King James and Chris Bosh would come to Chicago for sure! (face ass lol)

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    DJ May 21, 2010 at 6:37 am #

    Naw, but for real guys! I hope so to… lol

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