D-Rose’s jumper: Now with more arc

I saw this video of Derrick Rose shooting jumpers on Docksquad Sports (via TrueHoop):

As SV at Docksquad said: “Rose has been in the gym putting in work on it all off season long, and it’s looking like it is paying off. People who have seen him play in the off season are raving about his new jumper, and the usually humble Rose is talking about it himself as well. His jumper also looked a lot better in the Team USA scrimmage too. … That jumper is looking pretty money to me. Overall, it looks like he might’ve tweaked his form a little bit, with a higher release point. And it looks like he has added a little more arc to it.”

Based on the video, Derrick’s jumper does look a little more arc-a-riffic to me. Speaking as somebody who’s had the opportunity to watch Rose practice his shooting, I can tell you the kid is a determined and focused practice time shooter. Seriously, D-Rose is like machine, so it didn’t surprise me when all his shooting stats, uhm, shot up last season (from 47.0 percent to 57.5 from inside 10 feet, from 38.0 percent to 50 percent from 10-15 feet, and from 43.0 percent to 44.0 from 16-23 feet).

Of course, while I’m all for an improved jumper — especially from three-point range — I’d still like to see Rose get to the line a little bit more than he did the last two seasons (3.1 FTA in 2008-09 and 4.3 FTA in 2009-10). I’m just sayin’…


35 Responses to D-Rose’s jumper: Now with more arc

  1. Bill August 3, 2010 at 2:49 am #

    You’d like to see Rose get to the line more, I’d like a blowjob from kim kardashian. we can’t get everything we want.

  2. storm4766@gmail.com'
    Billiam August 3, 2010 at 3:22 am #

    It looks like he drains about 23 of 25 to start off. Awesome. Also, props to the young amateur videographer for catching this.

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    joe August 3, 2010 at 4:05 am #

    Title read like a new and improved breakfast cereal; “…now with more fruit flavor”

  4. zilla2033@yahoo.com'
    zillaa August 3, 2010 at 5:27 am #

    Well I think the 3-point shot will come this season. He might not have it at a 40% level, but I’m expecting about about 3 to 4 attempts a game and around 32%, which isn’t bad.

    I think the free throws will come, but I don’t know when or how. I just saw way too many times last season when I expected Rose to see some help defense only to watch them back off and give him a wide open layup. You have to assume that they’ll start fouling him more when he makes them pay for playing the drive on a regular basis.

    Also, some halfway decent star treatment wouldn’t hurt on those drives :)

  5. Cool wind August 3, 2010 at 6:27 am #

    Bring it on, HEAT !!!!! We da BULLS will trample you to the ground via D-Rose. A humble, hard worker, no BS, willing to be da MAN and loyal.

  6. Mahmoud August 3, 2010 at 8:32 am #

    I get the feeling sometimes that Derrick’s almost ‘too good’ at avoiding contact. He’s so athletic he can float around people, instead of just jumping into them (see James, Lebron). But yeah, I’m excited. You can’t guard him close, you can’t guard him off, what the hell are people supposed to do? Only thing left for Derrick is to become the lock down defender that we know he can be and we’re set.

  7. DipenPatel@Chicagobreakingsports.com'
    BULL4EVER August 3, 2010 at 12:43 pm #

    Yeah D’Rose’s jumper has a longer arc now,now this is great news for the damn good old hated Bulls and horrible news for the rest of the NBA,BEWARE!!!!!.GO BULLS BABY!!!!

  8. Jimmy August 3, 2010 at 12:45 pm #

    “Also, some halfway decent star treatment wouldn’t hurt on those drives ”

    Exactly, his best bet to get more FT attempts is for Rose to get more love from the refs. He has been making a good impression on everyone, so I expect the FT attempt number to go up.

  9. Horace August 3, 2010 at 2:08 pm #

    feels good to win the lottery…imagine if we ended up with Beasley or anything other than the first pick….the team would be a disaster.

  10. bob.edwards47@yahoo.com'
    BoppinBob August 3, 2010 at 2:20 pm #

    Bull4ever, it’s a higher arc, not a longer arc. By increasing the arc of his shot Rose reduces the possibility of having it blocked and increases the margin for error by increasing the angle the ball approaches the rim.

  11. mikemayer3@hotmail.com'
    thirdsaint August 3, 2010 at 2:23 pm #

    The reason Rose doesn’t get foul shots is he hasn’t gotten many calls yet. The refs have been pretty stingy but I expect that to change in his 3rd year here. It certainly isn’t because he lacks aggression.

  12. The Rock August 3, 2010 at 3:30 pm #

    lookin good…gotta love this kid..

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    docksquad August 3, 2010 at 3:43 pm #

    Matt, good point for sure. He definitely needs to increase his FTA a game. I just hope the refs give the poor kid some calls. He never gets any when he drives. Like in the last game of the Cavs series! GO BULLS! GO DROSE!!!

  14. Anonymous August 3, 2010 at 5:25 pm #

    Hey kids like to read about sports too. Lets keep it clean. Respect them they deserve to be kids for a while.

  15. fredericksj@att.net'
    Anonymous August 3, 2010 at 5:27 pm #

    Kids like to read about sports too. lets keep it clean. They deserve are respect

  16. contrerasadvocates@yahoo.com'
    Savage August 3, 2010 at 5:33 pm #

    I totally agree with thirdsaint on this one. D Rose did not start getting proper calls until after the allstar game. I think now he will get more calls since he is an allstar and will be for years to come. The first half of last year I did not feel like he was getting any of the calls he should have. But the second half he started to get more. I do not anticipate that being a problem this year.

  17. davidpaulroosa@yahoo.com'
    AK Dave August 3, 2010 at 9:34 pm #

    Re: Rose not “getting calls”

    You don’t usually get whistles when you’re shooting weak-sauce teardrops. Rose has been *driving* aggresively but not trying to *finish* strong.

    He is taking a lot of floaters/teardrops/quasi-runners, all of which do not initiate or force contact and a whistle. Not even Dwade in the 2006 finals could get a call shooting those types of shots. If Rose tries for layups or dunks, taking it *through* contact instead of trying to avoid it, then he’ll get to the foul line.

    But if the floaters continue, don’t expect anything to change foul-wise.

  18. contrerasadvocates@yahoo.com'
    Savage August 3, 2010 at 9:40 pm #

    I guess agree to disagree here. There was in fact a call change foul-wise at the end of last year on Rose. After the break he did get more calls. And I saw him drive it to the hole hard many times throughout the year with no call even though it looked like he was hit. Are you actually arguing that stars don’t get more foul calls than non-stars? I am under the impression they do and Rose is on the bring of being a bonafide star in the league. So why would you not expect any change in calls foul-wise?

  19. davidpaulroosa@yahoo.com'
    AK Dave August 3, 2010 at 9:51 pm #


    No, no, of course stars get the calls (hence my Dwade comment).

    My point is that Rose likes to finish with floaters and tear drops and other relatively passive shots. I’ve heard talking heads say that he was trying to perfect that shot over the course of last season.

    He would get more foul calls if he would simply try to finish every drive with a layup or a dunk; even if a shot blocker is there. That would force the referee to call a foul one way or another, and that is where the superstar call comes into play.

    But if he’s shooting floaters over the top of the shotblocker, there is no contact, and therefore no possibility of a whistle.

    I wonder sometimes if he learned that (bad)habit from watching Kirk? To me, Kirk’s scoring average plummeted when he started settling for floaters instead of driving for layups. But that’s ancient history now.

  20. contrerasadvocates@yahoo.com'
    Savage August 3, 2010 at 10:03 pm #

    Okay, I got you. I would hate to see him drive hard every time like AI and end up getting injured though. He is too important to our team. I would be fine with him mixing it up between hard drives and floaters/drive and kicks. This would help reduce the chances of injury and still be productive as he was last year. I know you can’t play the game scared of injury but I think mixing it up between the two would be in the best interest of the team.

  21. davidpaulroosa@yahoo.com'
    AK Dave August 3, 2010 at 10:46 pm #

    “I would hate to see him drive hard every time like AI and end up getting injured though.”

    That’s true. Drawing contact continuously can result in injury. But I think if he was able to draw 3-5 fouls per game, that would be a reasonable amount; and getting 6-10 foul shots a game is certainly doable and not dangerous. 4.3 FTA’s is just really low for a slasher/finisher type player who has the green light every night.

    For perspective: career numbers in FTA/game for players I would describe as slashers/finishers at the guard position:

    Allen Iverson: 8.9FTA
    Michael Jordan: 8.2FTA
    Dwayne Wade: 9.2FTA
    Russel Westbrook: 5.2FTA (in 33min/game)

    Rose: 3.7FTA (in 37min/game)

    I know Mike and Dwade are 2-guards, but they are also similar to Rose in build, and are/were often given the ball and told to “make something happen”, which they did.

    Also note that Westbrook is not even the #1 scoring option on his team, but seems to draw more fouls while playing the same position and taking fewer shots in fewer minutes overall per game. (Rose: 17.6FGA Westbrook: 14.1FGA)

    Also, even at this high rate of being fouled, Jordan played in the league for a loooooooooong time. So just because you are drawing 8+ fouls per game, that doesn’t mean you are doomed to certain career-ending injury.

    But hey, Rose isn’t Jordan, or Wade, or Westbrook. He’s kind of a unique player, and I’m cool with just seeing what he does and appreciating him for what he is. I’m not trying to bash him for what he isn’t. Really 😀

  22. Ace August 3, 2010 at 10:46 pm #

    It is very true he does do a lot of floaters and tear drops which kind of shows how talented he is cause he can actually avoid contact and easily make the basket, which I am not sure many people can always do that. I would rather take a guarantee fg than a possible ft, especially if it keeps him from injury. But of course we get more out of him if he is able to draw contact while finishing the shot, which I hope he is able to do this year. But while he does do a lot to avoid contact when driving into the lane there are still plenty of times that he is blatantly fouled and it is never called, now that needs to change.

  23. bobbysimmons August 3, 2010 at 11:57 pm #


    putting more arc on the ball decreases (not increases) the margin for error by increasing the angle the ball approaches the rim. ie. a flat shot has to be at the perfect angle to go in, where as one with a nice arc has more room to play with

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    Tony C. August 4, 2010 at 12:41 am #

    Dave –

    The main problem for Rose is his unusual strength. Guards like Iverson bounce off defenders and go flying after driving to the hoop.

    The only way that Rose will get to the line significantly more often is if he begins to be treated by the refs with the same respect that Jordan and Wade receive(d).

    I would also point out that driving hard to the hole in today’s game unquestionably increases the chances of a guard being injured. Rose was injured twice last season driving hard into Dwight Howard, and any time that type of jarring contact is made with a much bigger player, the odds of a serious injury increase dramatically.

  25. bobbysimmons August 4, 2010 at 12:50 am #

    @boppinbop, actually wtf am i talking about, you were exactly right. getting words all mixed up over here, need sleep

  26. airbulls21@gmail.com'
    Matt Steigenga August 4, 2010 at 1:43 am #

    “I would also point out that driving hard to the hole in today’s game unquestionably increases the chances of a guard being injured.”
    BAck in the 90s they actually let you be more physical unlike today they call a foul just for laying a finger on someone so I don’t think this is a factor. The Howard things were fouls on Howard. Of course this yr if that happens expect Kurt Thomas to laysome hits on Howard, and Thomas played in the golden era since he has been around for a while, so he knows about being an enforcer and big time physicalness.

  27. doubleaccord@gmail.com'
    Tony C. August 4, 2010 at 1:58 am #

    “The Howard things were fouls on Howard. ”

    Of course they were, but do you expect opposing teams to stand idly by while Rose drives to the basket? They’ll often foul, and foul hard.

  28. adrian.wiegman@gmail.com'
    Adrian August 4, 2010 at 5:06 am #

    In which case the league will respond protecting their stars and be quicker to call contact on d-rose

  29. matthias_valentin@yahoo.de'
    MV August 4, 2010 at 8:28 am #

    Hmm, maybe he should meet Mr. Parker in the offseason and learn championship flopping :-) And it would reduce the injury risk too.

    And by the way very nice blog (and basketbawful). It´s amazing how much quality content you create. Awesome.

  30. matthias_valentin@yahoo.de'
    MV August 4, 2010 at 8:28 am #

    Hmm, maybe he should meet Mr. Parker in the offseason and learn championship flopping :-) And it would reduce the injury risk too.

    And by the way very nice blog (and basketbawful). It´s amazing how much quality content you create. Awesome.

  31. mullins.appraisals@yahoo.com'
    Jack Dunkulous August 4, 2010 at 11:14 am #

    He will get the calls this year. He earned his stripes so to speak. He has been going to the hole hard, but for some reason wasn’t getting his share of calls. Probably because he didn’t whine and cry every time he is touched. He is now (along with Durant) the face of New NBA. He will be protected this year.

  32. qmatula30@yahoo.com'
    Quinn August 4, 2010 at 7:25 pm #

    maybe rose should slow down so the refs can actually see the cantact haha

  33. adioskate313@hotmail.com'
    Reid Burgess August 4, 2010 at 11:54 pm #

    I was at this camp. His shots looked good, and just about every little kid with a cell phone or camera was recording this. It was just fun to get to play with him 😀

  34. zac.highland@gmail.com'
    Zac August 8, 2010 at 8:49 pm #

    Not his fault he can’t get calls. I think he’ll get more this year though. Also doesn’t help he can avoid contact so well.

  35. eddieistheshit@gmail.com'
    Eddie August 11, 2010 at 3:30 pm #

    What would be better for him than going to see Mr. Parker would be to go and see Mr. Derek Fisher.(Who can pull off a flop even when there is no contact and still get the call) With Fisher he could learn the art of flopping as well as the art of drawing fouls. Fisher is better at flopping than j-lo and affleck in were gigli, plus he has the innate ability (no matter if another teammate is open or has a lane to the basket) to jump into what ever opposing player is closest as long as they are within 4 or 5 feet, throw up a ridiculous shot (facing or looking at the basket not required) that has at best a .5% chance of going in and draw a foul for easy 2 points from the charity stripe. This way he not only draws fouls but wont have work on his jump shot, you don’t need one if you can jump into opposing players and draw fouls. Sorry, the Parker flopping comment made me think of Fisher and my loathing of him. I just cant have respect for a guy that flops with no or very very little contact (I mean you could run by Fisher and if the tip of your finger brushes against him he will flop) or a player that runs and jumps into people hoping to draw a foul ( I realize NBA players usually throw up crazy shots when they get fouled, but the point is they throw up the shot AFTER they are fouled they don’t go looking to get fouled. So here is to you Derek Fisher for having less BALLS and being a bigger BITCH than anyone did on my schools GIRLS HS basketball team

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