Comments on: Trending downward http://bullsbythehorns.com/trending-downward/ Wed, 28 Oct 2015 10:45:55 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.3.1 By: Matt McHale http://bullsbythehorns.com/trending-downward/comment-page-1/#comment-32 Thu, 22 Jan 2009 04:52:28 +0000 http://bullsbythehorns.com/?p=59#comment-32 cilantromOnkay — I do believe that the correct coaching can limit turnovers. The Bulls just don’t play with a lot of discipline right now. They get out of control. Again, I’m not saying Scott Skiles is the world’s best coach, nor that his squads didn’t have turnover meltdowns, but his teams had much more offensive cohesiveness and discipline than Vinny’s bunch…despite the fact that, by and large, they’re the same group of guys.

Junior — The reason I’m not sure I’d want Eddie coaching the Bulls is because, except for one successful stretch last season, he couldn’t get the Wizards to play defense with any consistency. The Bulls need that. That’s another one of their problems I didn’t mention in today’s post…

Hillmatic — You know, I suspect Vinny had some great ideas during the interviewing process. But sometimes it’s hard to put those ideas into effect when it’s time to do so. For instance, when I was in college, I was given a position that was, essentially, to be the night manager of a dorm (or Staff Resident, head of the R.A.’s). I got the job based on a home-run interview in which I isolated all the staff problems and proposed the perfect solutions…few of which I was able to make happen due to various problems with the staff itself. I think Vinny’s in the same place. I would like to know what he said in he interview though…

PT from Oaktown — I agree for the most part…although I think Gooden can contribute to the team. I just wish he was more consistent. Of course, i wish EVERYBODY on this team was more consistent.

DUDURTY — Yeah, Pax, I think, just wanted a placeholder coach. Guys have become available, and more guys will by the end of the season. And if there’s somebody he wants, it’ll be easy enough to get rid of Vinny, make him the fall guy. But Paxson has screwed up too many opportunities. Trading LaMarcus Aldridge, paying out the butt for Ben Wallace when he already had Tyson Chandler (whom he then traded away for nothing). So on and so forth.

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By: DUDURTY http://bullsbythehorns.com/trending-downward/comment-page-1/#comment-31 Thu, 22 Jan 2009 00:57:05 +0000 http://bullsbythehorns.com/?p=59#comment-31 I too believe this is all Paxson’s fault. Why hire VDN when you had Avery johnson out there. VDN and Pax should be fired neither one knows what they want out of this team.

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By: PT from Oaktown http://bullsbythehorns.com/trending-downward/comment-page-1/#comment-30 Thu, 22 Jan 2009 00:13:54 +0000 http://bullsbythehorns.com/?p=59#comment-30 If they just could: keep Hughes and gooden on the bench, then played defense hard like the Skiles era, ran picks or actual plays for Deng or Gordon to shoot the jumper, didn’t let Gordon Dribble in the 4th quarter, and didn’t let TT shoot from outside, we would have twice as many wins.

That sums it up for me. This team is hard to watch. Gordon TT stop turning the ball over you are killing me!

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By: Hillmatic http://bullsbythehorns.com/trending-downward/comment-page-1/#comment-29 Wed, 21 Jan 2009 22:50:59 +0000 http://bullsbythehorns.com/?p=59#comment-29 Say all you want about the assemblance of talent on this team. The single person responsible for this catastrophe is Pax. As a person I respect him and what he has done for the Bulls as a player and a GM rescuing us from the abyss of the post Jordan years. But it’s run it’s course. The hiring of VDN was the final straw on my book. At this point I have no idea what he told Pax during this interview, but it’s obvious he has no idea or vision of what kind of identity he wants to instill. At least with Skiles we knew what he was about. I have no clue what the Bulls are doing at either end of the court….and I don’t think he does either.

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By: BadDave http://bullsbythehorns.com/trending-downward/comment-page-1/#comment-26 Wed, 21 Jan 2009 18:51:18 +0000 http://bullsbythehorns.com/?p=59#comment-26 Hmm – I disagree. Part of turnovers is how you run an offense. Heck, even having an offensive scheme will help da Bullsh now. They just run willy-nilly down the court – it’s mass hysteria.

It is much to expect them to change mid-season, but some improvement on the handles is within reason.

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By: Junior http://bullsbythehorns.com/trending-downward/comment-page-1/#comment-25 Wed, 21 Jan 2009 16:57:05 +0000 http://bullsbythehorns.com/?p=59#comment-25 Don’t you think at this point, Eddie Jordan would be a good coach to the Bulls? he failed this season with the wizards, but he was doing a good job if you see the Wizards on the last three-four seasons

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By: cilantromOnkay http://bullsbythehorns.com/trending-downward/comment-page-1/#comment-24 Wed, 21 Jan 2009 16:34:33 +0000 http://bullsbythehorns.com/?p=59#comment-24 In your research you wrote that they bulls three main issues are giving career nights to mediocre players, turning the ball over at key points, and not having a go-to player down the stretch.

Given the quote you provided from vdn it seems like he gets all because he, essentially, said the exact same thing. “You can’t turn the ball over.” (self-explanatory). “You have to know your limitations and know time and score.” (i.e. the players who are trying to be go-to players are not real go-to players).

I guess the question becomes whether or not a coach can fix any of those problems mid-season and with no change in personal.

First, I mean really, what are you supposed to do about turnovers anyways? Do you practice NOT turning the ball over? Obviously not but the issue is still “coachable” in so far as the problem is chemistry: players sulking on the team, potential trades looming, and a coach that the players perhaps dont respect. Bad passing and bad flow come from teams that dont have set rotations and dont have a hierarchy of players that everyone respects (i.e some players think they should be playing more and other think they should be shooting more).

The giving away career nights to mediocre players is definitely an issue with the coach. It simply means that players are not being properly prepared for any other players then the opposing teams stars. Sure, players like noah and tt could be unprofessional and not really pay attention to scouting of mediocre players. I doubt this is the crux of the problem because the career nights seem to come from players at all positions not just, say, pf or center.

Not having a go-to player down the stretch. Well the issue here is the hierarchy on the team. Gordan has shown the ability to make big-shots and manufacture offense but he fluctuates on this because occasionally the bulls run into a team that has a player that can stay in front of him. Gordan definitely is not at the level of stardom where he can impose his will on whomever is guarding him.

I mean really you hit the nail on the coffin when you said they are relying on rose. Obviously, rose is that leader. What was the issue before this year? People where asking larry hughes at the end of last year whether or not the bulls needed a real pack leader, a wolf, and an assassin. They dont ask that anymore because Rose has shown glimpses of that this year.

It really comes down to the fact that the bulls when close games when rose is facing defenses that are prone to his type of attack and when his jump shot is falling. If you watch the games that rose has taken over down the stretch and been a true go-to guy — having his number called time and again — he essentially fakes the drive to the hoop, gets separation from the opposing point guard and knocked down the mid-range shot.

If they aint falling then the bulls aint winning in crunch time.

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By: yoitsme http://bullsbythehorns.com/trending-downward/comment-page-1/#comment-23 Wed, 21 Jan 2009 16:31:39 +0000 http://bullsbythehorns.com/?p=59#comment-23 Bibby had his way with us? hehehe

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