Comments on: Guest Post: Why doesn’t Derrick Rose get to the line more?

By: Chuck

Chuck — Tue, 16 Nov 2010 14:13:01 +0000

It seem that the league is moving to an almost entirely perimeter based league. They call everything on the perimiter and you can’t touch the guy, but as soon as smebody is in the paint you can do things to them that would get you arrested on the street. The pundits wonder why there are no more dominant big men any more. Why? Because you get mugged every time you get the ball in teh paint and there is no call. Noah is the victim of a lot of this.

By: Chris

Chris — Tue, 16 Nov 2010 05:27:31 +0000

Tony C. nailed it with his last comment. Converting the field goal (i.e. ~2 pts per shot) is preferable to drawing a foul (~1.6 pts per shot). I have experienced this same “problem” with the 2K franchise. I rarely attempt free throws despite scoring almost all of my points in the paint. Instead I’m shooting 60%+ from the field (again, almost exclusively lay-ups and dunks). The lack of heavy contact (i.e. mid-air collisions, versus hacks) will not only help with Rose’s long-term durability but his ability to finish strong in-game. If refs really do swallow their whistles late-game (depends on the player), then it’s a good thing Rose can create and convert those tough lay-ups. Trying too hard to draw fouls results in bad shots (Kobe, Durant, Wade are all guilty of this). e.g. last year the refs awarded Durant the rip move, this season they haven’t. Hasn’t stopped Durant from attempting to rip the shot through, but it’s almost always a brick (he’s shooting it from an odd angle because of the ripping motion), and his FTA has declined.

By: Tony C.

Tony C. — Tue, 16 Nov 2010 03:49:25 +0000

Richard –

It’s your idiotic commentator here, hoping to clear things up for you. I am saying that Rose’s ability to get good shots off around the rim due to his extraordinary physical attributes and skills may well be preferable on balance to making more (and harder) contact on drives, missing more shots as a result, and getting more fouls called.

Call it nuanced idiocy, if you like.

By: Richard

Richard — Tue, 16 Nov 2010 00:16:01 +0000

The comments in the end are idiotic…are you saying he wouldn’t score more points if he got more foul calls? Also refs typically swallow the whistle at the end of games.

By: BullySixChicago

BullySixChicago — Mon, 15 Nov 2010 19:31:48 +0000

The refs are probably awed by what Rose does when he attacks the basket when you hear the oooooooh and aaaaw from the crowd the refs are probably caught with that whistle stuck on nonblow watching what Roses does rather some one fouling him otherwise there is no excuse

By: inkybreath

inkybreath — Mon, 15 Nov 2010 18:07:28 +0000

(Rose is a rich man’s Baron Davis)

By: BoppinBob

BoppinBob — Mon, 15 Nov 2010 17:55:10 +0000

Eventually the foul calls will come, but I agree with Tony C. that it is incidental to the effectiveness of Rose. Because of his strength, speed and body control the fouls that are not called do not seem to effect the success of his shots, which seems to work against him in getting calls. Rose combines his strength with his speed and body control to look effortless, while LBJ, Kobe, D.Wade and others tend to power through defensive players, Rose finesses his way past defenders making it harder to see a foul because of the unique combinations of skills that Rose brings to the game. Eventually the refs will get used to seeing Rose’s moves and will see the fouls.

By: inkybreath

inkybreath — Mon, 15 Nov 2010 17:46:14 +0000

The first thing I think of when this comes up is the two games against Orlando last year, where Rose went to the deck HARD. I remember thinking of Wade and how much abuse he took and the injuries that resulted.

For me, the calls will come. The more he can get all the way to the hole and avoid contact, the better, regardless of the foul calls. I will take a healthier Rose for four or five years with three less foul shots a game…

And, let’s not forget they are still watching the video and reworking the coverage on Mr. Rose, so it will get tougher and he will again rise to the occasion and there will be undeniable contact.

By: Tom

Tom — Mon, 15 Nov 2010 17:10:28 +0000

I heard a quote from Rose, in an interview with Bleacher Report, in which he said during the Wizards game the other day he asked the ref why a certain play was not a foul and the ref responded to the effect of that the play happened too quick for him to call anything. I think that for a lot of the plays Rose is too quick and fast for the ref to see a foul. Hopefully eventually they will start to anticipate a foul like they do for Lebron and Wade.

By: Chuck

Chuck — Mon, 15 Nov 2010 16:17:52 +0000

I tend to agree with the author. After watching a lot of Rose this year two things have become apparent.
1) Rose is so quick and the spacing is so much better that he can beat his man and get to the rim before a help defender can get close to being in position. In this case the help just lets him go because the play is over before they can react.
2) His body contol is so good that he never seems to get hacked in the lane. He is a master of putting his body between the ball and the defender so there is not a lot of slapping and hacking going on. This also makes those shots very difficult to block.