Game 20 Recap: Bulls 88, Cavaliers 83

It almost happened. The Bulls were this close to falling into the trap.

The Cavaliers entered last night’s game having lost five in a row by an average of 22.2 points per defeat. In each of those five losses, the Cavs had given up more than 100 points.

Finally, Cleveland coach Byron Scott pulled out the defibrillator and tried to shock his team’s pride back to life. He did that by calling his team out to the press.

Said Scott: “Everybody has to do some soul-searching. It’s not an Xs and Os thing. We have to take pride in what we are doing. People drive right down the middle of the defense, and no one gets upset about it. Guys have to take more of an onus on guarding their man.”

Cavs forward Antawn Jamison replied: “Are we going to fight or make excuses? We have to leave it on the line. These next few games are going to define the rest of the season.”

Sure enough, Cleveland came out and played defense like it matters. Which it does. They blocked five shots, forced 16 turnovers and harrassed the Bulls into 44.9 percent shooting while holding them to 12 points below their season average. The Cavaliers entered the fourth quarter with a 68-60 lead.

So what saved the Bulls?

They say bad teams find ways to lose games. Well, Cleveland is ranked 29th in Offensive Rating for a reason, folks. Throughout the final 12 minutes, the Cavs chucked up some of the worst shots known to man. Their go-to shot of the fourth quarter was the contested three-pointer with plenty of time left on the clock.

In fact, Boobie Gibson’s shot selection was so bad down the stretch that Bulls broadcaster Stacey King half-jokingly suggested naming Gibson Chicago’s player of the game. The only clutch-time three the Cavs managed to convert was one that Mo Williams unintentionally banked in.

Seriously, Tom Thibodeau should send the Cavaliers a thank you note.

They also say good teams find ways to win. Kyle Korver scored Chicago’s first 12 points of the fourth quarter. By the time Korver’s personal run ended, Derrick Rose took over. Rose scored nine of his game-high 29 points in the final five minutes and 13 seconds. His three-point play with 19 seconds left turned a one-point deficit into an 85-83 lead.

The team defense took over from there. On Clevland’s next possession, Taj Gibson forced Williams into a very difficult baseline jumper. Gibson managed to nab the offensive rebound, but he rushed an off-balance shot while kicking out his legs to try and initiate some contact that might result in a foul call.

Had Gibson just taken a normal shot, he might have tied the game. As it was, Noah rebounded Gibson’s miss and Anderson Varejao was forced to foul him. Jo drilled both freebies (clutch!) to give the Bulls a four-point lead. As if the game wasn’t already iced, Jamison threw a bad pass that was intercepted by Ronnie Brewer.

Game over.

Special recognition should also go to Noah, who grabbed a game-high 14 rebounds, and Brewer, who had a fantastic game off the bench: 30 minutes, 4-for-5, 9 points, 8 rebounds, 6 steals, 3 assists and a game-high plus-minus score of +20.

No, the Bulls didn’t play great. And Carlos Boozer (21 minutes, 2-for-6, 4 points, 3 rebounds, 2 assists) was all but invisible. But every team — except for maybe the Clippers — has games on its schedule that it’s supposed to win. This was one of those games for the Bulls.

And they did it.

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43 Responses to Game 20 Recap: Bulls 88, Cavaliers 83

  1. dengsucks December 9, 2010 at 2:50 pm #

    Yes Noah rebounded, which he is suppose to do. He also kept jacking up shots, which is frustrating as hell.

    Tony C. December 9, 2010 at 3:16 pm #

    Brewer’s best game yet. He really is a dynamic defender, and there’s no question that he deserves to be on the floor a lot, whether or not as a starter.

    Rose is an offensive force, and especially so under pressure in recent games. It also appears to me as though he has started to use his legs more on 3pt attempts, and his accuracy has gone up as a result. But he is making too many mistakes leading to turnovers, and I hope that his excellent work ethic is soon applied in that direction.

    Nice to see Korver get on a role. He has a decent pump fake, and shouldn’t be afraid to use it to get his own shot more often (as opposed to simply spotting up).

    The Bulls free-throw shooting is absolutely pathetic. I am more worried about that aspect of their game than any other, as it is difficult to have confidence that it will improve significantly by the end of the season. Of it doesn’t, the Bulls will lose at least one crucial playoff game (and probably more) as a result.

    Tony C. December 9, 2010 at 3:17 pm #

    “role”? oops!

  4. Inception December 9, 2010 at 3:19 pm #

    it’s about time thibs puts Brewer in the starting lineup…Bogans blows.

  5. Anonymous December 9, 2010 at 3:40 pm #

    “Of”? double oops!

    Tae December 9, 2010 at 3:47 pm #

    I thought the Bulls played really lazy most of the game, but then I tuned in to the Lakers/Clippers game and thought “Well, it could’ve gone worse.” Remember, this Cavs team DID beat the Celtics so teams just go limp every now and then regardless of the skill difference.

    BoppinBob December 9, 2010 at 5:52 pm #

    Were the Bulls looking past the Cavs to the Lakers? Did the Bulls take the Cavs lightly? It doesn’t matter, the “almost” fell into the trap, but caught the edge and pulled the game out. And like someone else pointed out, the Celtics managed to fall into the Cavs “trap”.

    Boozer, Noah, and Deng all played poorly or just OK. But Rose, Gibson, Brewer and Korver all stepped up and provided enough umph to pull a win out. This is the kind of game a pretender loses. I look at the glass half full. The last two seasons, the Bulls had 2 maybe 3 players that had to play well in order to win. This season there seems to be 6-8 players that can step up and contribute to a win. We saw Rose and Noah have bad games and still win against the Thunder, then we see Boozer, Deng and Noah struggle a little and again a win. I really like the make-up of this team. I also think that the longer it stays together the better it will be.

    While we fans want to see a championship this seson, Gar/Pax have a responsibility to ownership to bring a championship back to Chicago in a fiscally responsible manner. Bringing in Melo or Mayo would not accomplish that IMO. I do believe that the Bulls can contend this season. Whether or not they can win it all remains to be seen, but it will be fun to watching what happens, rather than being frustrating like the last few seasons.

    Yes there are weaknesses at SG and C. But the second 3-peat team had weaknesses at C and PG and they managed. They used the 3-headed monster and Rodman to cover their weakness at C and used MJ and Pippen to cover the weakness at PG. These Bulls can do the same thing with Bogans/Brewer/Korver at SG and Noah/Asik/Thomas/Gibson at C.

    Finally, I can sit back and enjoy the Bulls season without wishing for a savior to be picked up.

    bullsfandom December 9, 2010 at 6:20 pm #

    I’ve said it before…Those MJ teams possessed 2 guys who are in the Top 10 of all time greatest basketball players ever who just so happened to be in their primes during those championship runs.

    Also, bringing in Mayo or Melo would not break the bank. Mayo is making 300,000 less than Ronnie Brewer right now. To bring him in here wouldn’t be a problem, and retaining him would be easier than trying to pick him up as a FA. (Don’t pretend that he will be a max contract guy either. He’d be extremely lucky to get that kind of scratch)

    And to get Melo, we would have to get rid of Deng anyway. In either case, to resign them we would only have to go a couple of million over the salary cap which is more than reasonable (for most of the Owners in the league anyway.)

    Tony C. December 9, 2010 at 6:27 pm #

    Mayo and Melo are apples and oranges, as we would need to give up much more for the latter. If we could get Mayo without having to give up any important players (including Brewer, who flashed his potential last night), I’d be open to it. But bringing in Melo would by a very different, and far more complicated story.

    While I tend to be critical in my posts, I lean strongly to BoppinBob’s side, by which I mean that I see a great deal of potential in this team as is, and would prefer to tinker only with smaller pieces, if any.

    BoppinBob December 9, 2010 at 6:48 pm #

    With the economic uncertainity that faces the NBA on the cusp of the CBA negoiations I would definitely not want Melo (even if there was some kind of guarantee that he would suddenly become a reasonable defender). On the otherhand, if we knew that the economic environment would stay the same then I would bring in Mayo, he will make between 7-10 mil/yr. He could be a difference maker. But I do not give up any key pieces (Rose, Boozer, Noah, Deng, Gibson, Brewer, Watson, Korver, Asik). Maybe I part with both 1st round picks and one of the other roster fillers (Lucas, JJ, Bogans, Thomas or Scalabrine). Although I think Thomas is being saved for the playoffs (like Jackson did with Cartwright his last 2 seasons). But the uncertainty of the economic environment after the new CBA makes me nervous. Of course we could make Mayo a rent-a-player for this season only at the trading deadline then draft a SG.

    BoppinBob December 9, 2010 at 8:09 pm #

    bullsfandom, it takes more than 2 guys to win a championship, it takes an entire team. It takes solid defense, it takes the right mix of stars and role players. It takes chemistry, and it takes leadership. The leader may not be the best player on the team and he may be the best player. The Bulls have two evolving leaders, Noah and Rose. The role players are in the process of defining who they are and what their role is. The stars are in place (Rose, Boozer, Deng and Noah), yes there are 4 stars on this team. Rose and Boozer are probable all-stars and Noah and Deng are possible all-stars. While they may not make the all-star team, they are the stars of the Bulls and one or more of them will step up and be major factors of all the Bulls wins. Role players will step in and pick up the stars that do not provide star quality performances like the past two games. Rose and Boozer took turns turning in sub-par performances and the other stars and “role” players helped pull out the wins.

    Ben December 9, 2010 at 9:35 pm #

    Boozer will fit in fine and once he does find his groove Chicago should at least be a 3 or 4 seed in the east watch out for NY!

    Scottie Pimpin December 9, 2010 at 10:40 pm #

    where was boozer ? as the game got i swear i actually forgot he was even on the team

    i think people need to stop with the melo, or mayo talk , wth melo you would give up too much just for points, and mayo is a 38 career percent 3 point shooter and is 6’4 and doesnt play spectacular defense, for that i rather have bogans jacking up treys. shoot, for that i rather have brewer shooting mid rangers all night.

    Defense has to be consistent and smart, and we have the players to do that with, id hold on to that 1st rounder until something better comes up.

    Dengs mid range is money, and his 3 point is startng to look money and his defense is more money. have patience.

    oh and asik needs to get his head in the game, hes got potential to really help these buls right now.

    and i also agree, brewer time to start is here, put him in coach !

    Chuck December 9, 2010 at 11:01 pm #

    Generally, teams like Memphis would take picks and/or cap relief to get rid of a player like Mayo. These are the same clowns that gave away Gasol for a bag of chips. It is obvious that they do not value Mayo much because he is now coming off the bench.

    bullsfandom December 9, 2010 at 11:15 pm #

    First things first, I only brought up Melo to try to show how it wouldn’t kill us economically. Matt did a good job of showing how little Melo would improve our team so if its all the same to you gents, can we drop that part of the conversation once and for all?

    BoppinBob – You are confusing me a bit here. In one post you talk about covering up the deficiencies of our SG and C, and then you go on to talk about needing more than two guys. About needing a team effort with team chemistry and team defense. About guys fitting into their roles.

    My question to you is, do you really believe Bogans is fitting into his role on this team? What is his role on this team for that matter? It seems to me that his current role is to play the first half of the 1st and 3rd quarters (coincidentally, two of the Bull’s worst quarters throughout this young season). His defense, while it may be good, hasn’t been anything to write home about and his shot has completely disappeared (he hasn’t hit one of his spot up 3’s since Nov 23 vs the Lakers. Since then he has been 0-18 from behind the arc and is 7-29 overall during that stretch).

    Does this sound like a player you want playing 20 minutes a game? Does Bogans compare more to guys like John Paxson and Ron Harper? Or does he compare more to somebody like Thabo Sefolosha? One of the reasons we beat OKC last time was because, in the words of Stacy King, we were rotating over late on him, playing tougher defense on their stars and forcing him to put up shots. Personally, I can’t help but feel the same way whenever I see Bogans out there.

    bullsfandom December 9, 2010 at 11:43 pm #

    I’m not advocating that we blow up the team’s core, or even our core bench guys. If we could swing it some way where we only had to give up Bogans, JJ, and picks I’d do it in a heartbeat. (Who knows, maybe that would be good enough for Memphis?).

    Scottie Pimpin – Last year, OJ Mayo’s .383 3pt % was good enough for 40th in the league. He is a threat from beyond the arc, pure and simple. He is only and inch shorter than Bogans, and possesses the same steals and blocks per 36 minutes as Bogans does. If we had him and made him a starter, we would always have a certifiable threat from downtown on the floor to pair with Derrick. We could run sets with OJ and Korver on the floor to really spread things out and challenge opponents perimeter defense and open things up for the pick and roll with Rose and Booz.

    I love how everybody is holding on to the hope that we can draft some SG to take us over the top. Whatever we get with our picks from here on out will be at the bottom of the first round (hopefully). We will be stuck with getting guys who are projects. Getting projects sometimes works out, but only if they get a chance to shine. The way this team is stacked at the wings there isn’t room to give JJ any minutes, let alone whatever poor sap we wind up drafting in the future. In other words, maybe we will find a diamond in the rough, but we might not realize that until its too late because Bogans is out there sucking up 20 minutes a game.

    chitown4life December 9, 2010 at 11:45 pm #

    NOW@ the ones not thinking the bulls need to seriouly look for a strong player at shooting guard I’ve been saying this for a while and will keep on until the cast that the bulls have in place show me that they can shoot with range and with pct points to make the #2 guard possess a real scoring threat so that will take even more pressure of rose and now boozer and deng, we need to go after O J mayo so that he can spread the floor effectivly also will be a solid defender work both ends of the court.

    chitown4life December 9, 2010 at 11:49 pm #

    At the very least see what they are asking for for him it may be something that might just be what the bulls can afford to do without hurting our bench or core of the team which with the picks the bulls have something will give I am sure you cannot expect to always build through the draft especially when you have put together a team to win now the future is now the bulls need to heed the msge and make a move to help this team even more than they have so that we can win today and not hope about winning tommorrow b4 it all comes apart for timing is key in many situations now is the time this is the team make the dream a reality.

    Andre December 10, 2010 at 12:39 am #

    Brewer just picking apart cavs ball handers who are supposed to be POINT GUARDS.

    Stacey King on rose layup ” can i get some butta with that roll!!” LOL.

    Scottie Pimpin December 10, 2010 at 1:02 am #

    what about j richardson ? the suns are going nowhere anyway.

  21. TBF December 10, 2010 at 1:29 am #

    What about some combination of stuff for Anthony Parker? He’s got a 3 ball. Or see what the Cavs want for Booby Gibson. They might want to watch us stick it to LeBron and the Heat vicariously, and they’ll need draft picks to rebuild a team that has basically no identity.

    Might be worth a phone call.

    zillaa December 10, 2010 at 2:33 am #

    My favorite part of the game (besides Rose getting foul calls when he drives!):

    Right before halftime, Boozer just looks angry on offense and calls for the ball. Once he gets it, he immediately finds Rose, then runs up and sets a screen for him. It would have been a great pick n roll, but Boozer either just lost the ball or got hacked with no call.

    My point: Boozer is comfortable on the court, even if his stats didn’t show it last night. Jazz fans like to rub it in our faces that Boozer is always injured, but he wasn’t on the bench jumping at every chance to support his teammates in Utah.

    My actual point: This team is gonna be just fine.

    bullsfandom December 10, 2010 at 2:51 am #

    J Richardson costs way too much money. His Contract is 14 Mil meaning the Bulls would have to trade back 14Mil in contracts (Meaning Luol Deng + James Johnson + Keith Bogans, which would be horrible.) Not only that, but J Rich’s contract is expiring and the Suns are the cheapest team in the league by a country mile. No way they trade him for anything but other expiring contracts…not with the CBA coming up this year.

    BoppinBob December 10, 2010 at 7:26 am #

    bullsfandom, you are the one that implied that MJ and Pippen won the championships and implied that everyone else on the team didn’t do much. My comment abotu needing more than two guys referred to the MJ Bulls and the fact that everyone on those teams contributed to winning the 6 championships.

    As far as Bogans is concerned his minutes are declining, in Nov he averaged 20.6 m/g and so far in Dec he has averaged 14.2 m/g. Brewers minutes have gone from 21.2 in Nov to 23 in Dec. Personally I would like to see Brewer and Korver getting the bulk of the minutes at SG and Bogans getting 8-10 minutes. The Bulls are getting 19.3 PPG from their SGs.

    I do believe that Mayo could help the Bulls this season but I am not sure the cost would be worth it. If we can get him for Bogans and a draft pick or JJ and a draft pick then do it otherwise keep looking. He is going to make 7-10 Mil on his next contract in order to keep him. So we might be renting him for the remainder of this season.

    I do not agree with “chitown4life” that the future is now. Gar/Pax have made significant improvements with this team through FA. This is a young team (Bogan, Scalabrine and Thomas are the only ones 30 or over, Boozer and Korver are 29). I realize that a lot of fans are tired of waiting, but I am willing to wait for a dynasty which is a very real possibility.

    Scottie Pimpin December 10, 2010 at 9:49 am #

    jordan won because he had pippen, and pippen won because he had proffesionals. pax, grant, rodman, kucoc, wenington, kerr all those guys did what their abilities allowed , and they did it right. those guys played perfct team ball, true pros.

    i know people are pissed bogans is playing but i think hes starting so that others can see what thibs wants on defense, hes played for thibs in the past you know.

    the futue is now, but i also think they have time to make moves in the near future, gar/pax put the bulls on the right track over this summer, too bad hinrich isnt playing, he was the perfect back up for rose, and i wanna see more of jj, that dude got skillz, even if he does get lost sometimes, hes still able to make plays that get the team going or at least spark some moementum.

    also from what i read melo doesnt even want to be a bull, he want to be a knick, the dude is hollywood plain and simple.

  26. Inception December 10, 2010 at 1:30 pm #

    i’m beginning to take a 180 on melo coming to the bulls…he’s prob not needed….the one reason: D ROSE…the guy keeps on stepping up and continues to show that he’s a legit leader and alpha dog for this team…the perfect sidekick for rose would be an unselfish co-leader who is willing to sacrifice stats, but at the same time, can put up monster #’s on any given night….perhaps it’s Boozer, but i have my doubts we can build a dynasty around that duo.

    i guess i’m desperately seeking another MJ/Pip duo. 😛

  27. Inception December 10, 2010 at 1:33 pm #

    in all honesty, i wish the Thunder didn’t have a good foundation, because Durant would’ve signed with CHI in a heartbeat if that team was struggling…the man digs Rose and he already stated that Rose is his favorite player in the NBA right now…oh well.

    Gorditadog December 10, 2010 at 2:34 pm #

    Here are the minutes at shooting guard from last game:


    That three minutes for Korver may be the most for the season and could be a trend, but I don’t think so. Korver has been most effective playing as a forward, with Brewer at the two and Deng at the four, which was the line-up at the start of the fourth quarter Wednesday.

    I like seeing Watson and Rose on the floor together. Tibs has got to be careful with the match-ups here, but if the Lakers go small tonight we could see some more of CJ at the two.

    bullsfandom December 10, 2010 at 4:46 pm #

    Actually Boppin’ Bob, you were the one who implied that MJ and Pippen did that. “…Rodman to cover their weakness at C and used MJ and Pippen to cover the weakness at PG”. I just pointed out that they were able to do that because they were some of the greatest players of all time.

    I do agree with your philosophy though…which is why I would like it if we improved our role players some more by getting OJ Mayo, letting Bogans come off the bench, and maybe giving Luol some rest by letting Korver come in and relieve him.

    I of course don’t agree with your assessment of his ‘price’. Giving up our 11th man and a couple draft picks to change Brewer or Bogans into OJ Mayo seems reasonable. I mean, his minutes have to come from somebody whether they are on the team or not.

    Also, I’m not entirely sure how the rookie contracts/restricted free agency works….but according to the ESPN trade machine, Mayo has another year after this one so he would be a 2 year rental at the very least. After that, yeah…maybe he would get 7-10 Mil on his next contract. Its hard to say because we don’t know for sure how the CBA will shake out next year. But if we go under the assumption that it will be mostly similar to what we have now…why wouldn’t we sign him for 7-10 Mil?

    Teams are allowed to go over the Cap to resign their own players…that’s why teams such as the Celtics can be $31 Million over the cap and the Lakers can be nearly $49 Million over. The only key player we have to lock up in the near future is Derrick Rose who will make max money (for his tenure at least) so figure that to be about $9 Mil more than he makes now. That +9, with the $10 Mil you say OJ will get (which is only +4 from what a Brewer and JJ make now). So thats only $13 Million over the cap, a price Reinsdorf can easily afford considering that the Bulls are leading the league in attendance.

    chitown4life December 11, 2010 at 1:17 pm #

    @ BOBPINS why do you think waining is so good when you have mostly everything you need to win ow and a chance to go and get the last player or players to make this team a true champioon the whispers are no more its time for the Bulls to make a move , I don’t feel waiting is in there best intrest mainly becuase why should they have to wait winning is the goal yes, well then i say make it happen by any means O.J. mayo truly would be a excellent addition to this team we wanted to get rudy but the grzz said heck o they signed him fast we need that consistant 2 guard with a scoring punch not just a little nub that the players we have now have been showing for the most part lets face it Bob if it were not for D Rose plaaying the way he is this team would probally be not only in trouble but under five hundred so you may want to reconsider your stance on the waiting game and building through the draft well I have not seen anyone who can come in and contribute in a big way to this team which most two gaurds do now a days just saying less you know something I don’t the wait should have been over its been far too long since we have had a team like this and a chance like this to win Gar/Pax/Jerry get it together we deserve a winner this team needs more scoring plain and simple, go get O.J. Mayo so he can spread the floor and score for us which this team lacks right now hope you do not wait anymore time waits for no one and our time is now make that change(R.I.P.) Micheal Jackson.

    zillaa December 11, 2010 at 3:14 pm #

    I think the Lakers just said the Bulls need to give up half their team for Melo and/or Mayo.

    BoppinBob December 11, 2010 at 3:45 pm #

    chitown4life, we will have to agree to disagree. This team has the talent and the chemistry to win right now. It’s hallmark/callingcard will be defense first. While Bogans still starts, Brewer gets the bulk of the minutes at the 2. He compliments Rose, and forces people to play Rose straight up because of his ability to get to the rim. With Rose (38.6%) and Deng (39.5%) hitting 3’s consistently that allows Brewer to slash to the basket and put offensive pressure on the opponents defense off the ball. This is a young season and a developing team, I want to let it mature. That being said, if we could get Mayo for JJ or Bogans and a draft pick I would do it, but I would not give up more than that. What this team really needs is a quality backup for Noah. That is where I think that Gar/Pax should be focusing their attention. We have to go through Boston, Orlando and Miami, without better quality depth at center that won’t happen in a 7 game series.

    inkybreath December 11, 2010 at 4:12 pm #

    OMG, SICK. This young man is just rising to every occasion. It is such a beautiful thing to watch.

    This is the 3pt shot with 3 secs left in the shot clock. With the ultra-mo slow motion replay. His focus, strength, lift … man. I mean the full repertoire is coming to the fore.

    Listen, Westbrook is already a super player. But, damn, there is a special aura around Rose and what he does. You can see it in the eyes of other players and coaches when they look at what he does.

    His nickname should just be “Special”

    bullsfandom December 11, 2010 at 4:46 pm #

    I don’t see us having what it takes to win it all, and its not because Asik is still raw. We got off to another horrible start last night after the Lakers figured that they didn’t have to worry about Bogans at all and let Kobe hang around the middle of the floor. Same thing happened after half time where the Bulls saw their lead dwindle away. Just look at his +/- from last night.

    He is not going to be getting significantly better. Last night he was WIDE OPEN for all of his shots. Derrick would pass him the ball, and all of the Lakers would immediately turn to get the rebound before he even shoots it.

    He is killing this team offensively, and defensively he isn’t that much better than anybody else on the team. Thats why Kobe didn’t suddenly take over after he left the floor.

    Brewer + JJ + 2 Draft Picks + Cash
    Mayo + Haddadi + Vasquez

    This is a trade makes sense both under the current rules, and for both teams over all. Losing Brewer would hurt, but Mayo needs those minutes anyway. Having OJ out there at the start of the game, and for when Korver comes in to spell Deng, would space the floor out alot better giving all of the Bulls a much easier time to score.

    inkybreath December 11, 2010 at 5:49 pm #

    I know you have to give to get, but I am not letting go of Brewer. Too often, he is the guy that reminds the rest of the team that it is defensive intensity that changes the game.

    This experiment needs a little more observation before we start talking trades ….

    BoppinBob December 11, 2010 at 8:14 pm #

    inky, I think bullsfandom has a man crush on Mayo right now. I do believe that Mayo could help the Bulls, but if we can’t get him for JJ or Bogans and 1 first round draft pick then we don’t do it.

    Apparently, the Bulls 13-8 record against opponents with a combined 267-207 hasn’t earned Gar/Pax the benefit of trust that they know what they are doing. Let’s compare the Bulls accomplishments with the media heroes, the Miami Heat, they have amassed a record of 16-8 against opponents with a combined record of 263-281. I know that chitown4life thinks that the Bulls should be in a “win now” mode, but I think they are already there based on the current record and the strength of the opponents.

    chitown4life December 12, 2010 at 5:06 am #

    I’m nnot knocking th bulls and there record but i will point out what is, bogan wide open cannot hit a shot the other teams will leave him open and help double other players, also all i hear is wait stay the course shoot sometimes you need to take a short cut to make it to yr destination faster if the bulls can get mayo I can almost promise you this team will be a true title contender even more than they are because of the weapons place on all parts of the court there for if you feel the timing is not right then at least say more than just this team needs time, it may not be a real luxery the bulls have just saying might want to take real long look and ask yrself is now not the time to go for it all and make the chnge thats all i am saying my guess Rose would love to have another consistant shooter on the floor with him starting/ Peace

    BoppinBob December 12, 2010 at 6:14 am #

    Tonight against Minny, Bogans goes 2-3 for the night all 3-pt shots. 20 games does not a season make. I don’t think Bogans should be starting, Brewer should. I would only give one player and a draft pick for Mayo, or maybe a first and second round draft pick with a player (Bogans, JJ, Lucas).

    Wednesday night for the Grizz, Mayo came off the bench for 24 minutes, scored 6 pts, had 3 rebounds, 1-4 from the field and 0-1 from 3-pt, no assists, 1 steal. In 6 games in Dec Mayo is averaging 21.3 min/g, 15-41 from the field (36.6%), 4-11 (36.4%) from 3-pt land, avg 6.8 pts/g, 1.8 rbs, 1 ast, 0.5 stl. That might be the reason he is not starting.

    bullsfandom December 12, 2010 at 8:15 am #

    I don’t have a man-crush on Mayo as much as I have a man-crush on the realities of the CBA as it stands. Go to ESPN’s trade machine and try to trade for Mayo with just JJ. Here’s a link if you can’t find it

    You see? You can’t do it…the salaries don’t match up. Look, I wish I could get Mayo here without having to give up Ronnie Brewer, but I don’t think it is possible. Ironically, we aren’t paying Bogans enough to make the salaries match so that its possible to bundle him with OJ Mayo.

    I don’t know if you are trying to be ironic, saying we should stay the course and not look at a couple individual games and then looking at a single game of Mayo’s. OJ Mayo, back when he was a starter and not the subject of trade rumors, put up very good numbers. Bogans has never been a starter, has never been the subject of trade rumors and his numbers are still much worse than OJ Mayo’s…this year or any year.

    BoppinBob December 12, 2010 at 4:57 pm #

    bullsfandom, I agree that Bogans should not be starting and probably should not get more than 10 minutes per game. Brewer and Korver can and will do what is necessary to help the Bulls be contenders. I consider both key pieces of the Bulls this season. It is not the time to make personnel changes. The team is still fitting it pieces into the long term roles now that Boozer is in the rotation. I do not think that they will be finished with this process anytime soon.

    I wonder why Mayo is not a starter anymore, there must be a reason. I di not just look at one game, I included his stats for all his December games. Those stats are not better than either Korver or Brewer as far as contributions to winning. I hope that Gar/Pax do not agree with you evaluation.

    chitown4life December 12, 2010 at 7:28 pm #

    Well winning for the most part brings out the best in most players the grizz really have been up and down so far yet the numbers as you say do not add up nicely this year for Mayo but still he would be a sure scoring threat that all team would have to respect outside of bogans and to add brewer is not a true outside scoring korver needs more playing time and mean while bogans who may be a good d man his offense is pretty low for the most part and yesterday the second string team played almost half the game meaning no pressure to make shots so it should be easier for him to score meaning bogan I want to see him show up when the game is on the line meaning playing a good team i dont think that will ever come to light fully also i am not stuck totally on Mayo but at the same time who else could come in with our bulls and be a starter with immediate impact and respect from the other teams maybe you have some options bob maybe not but staying the course knowing its only been 20 games but if you are in it for the season then you must look down the road toward the playoffs winning is what the bulls must do but having a strong team is also what they must have at all position on both sides of the court. Peace

    bullsfandom December 13, 2010 at 1:38 am #

    I’m not trying to trade Korver, I think Kyle is absolutely crucial to this team’s success. Brewer is great, and I love his game but the reason he doesn’t really fit into what this team needs is that he doesn’t shoot 3’s ever. What the Bulls need is somebody out there who can spread the floor and give Derrick, Booze, and Deng some space in the paint. Much is made of chemistry and knowing your rotations in Thibs’s system…that’s why if you are going to make a change, it helps to do it early (and do it during an easy stretch of games).

    It’s hard to tell why OJ Mayo isn’t starting for the Grizz. The ‘official reason’ was because he showed up late for a shootaround once so they benched him for their freshly drafted rookie. Still its hard to tell exactly why and whose fault it is for this situation. Going into the season, every talking head speculated that OJ Mayo would be on the move this year since Memphis already spent all their money on Rudy Gay, the lesser Gasol, and Michael Conley. Now maybe behind the scenes he was pulling a prima-dona act and was making a ruckus because he knew he was on a losing team and he would be leaving….or was it because he was on a losing team, a team that was waiting on trading him but wanted to give their rookie who would be on the team for the foreseeable future starter’s minutes? Just remember, being involved in trade rumors can screw with young players. (Just look at the Bulls in 2007 when they were rumored to be going to the Lakers).


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