Comments on: Clarifying Chicago’s trade deadline non-movement http://bullsbythehorns.com/clarifying-chicagos-trade-deadline-non-movement/ Sat, 29 Aug 2015 20:25:41 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.3 By: BFD http://bullsbythehorns.com/clarifying-chicagos-trade-deadline-non-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-41382 Tue, 01 Mar 2011 00:52:30 +0000 http://bullsbythehorns.com/?p=2687#comment-41382 1. As a sports fan I have seen it quite often when a coach becomes married to a player for whatever reason. From Rex Grossman is our quarterback to Carlos Zambrano getting the nod on opening day (although thankfully, not this year).

2. You can tell that worked out because all those coaches kept him as their starting 2 guard….hey, wait….

3. You admit that he is slow, but maintain that he doesn’t foul much and he plays good support defense. Its true that Bogan’s doesn’t have that many fouls, but he doesn’t play that often. Lets look at his fouls per 36 minutes compared to the rest of the team

Korver 3.1
Bogans 2.9
Deng 2.0
Brewer 1.9
Rose 1.6

Its funny that among our guards/wing players how Bogans has the second worst foul rate. Its also funny how Bogan’s foul rate is so close to Kyle “I can’t play defense” Korver, right?

And while it may be nice to have an “I play good help Defense” badge, that apparently doesn’t mean much as far as the game goes. While I don’t think he plays help defense any better than most of the bulls, I can’t seem to prove he doesn’t…other than the fact that he has the worst +/- on the team, that his +/- is even worse against good teams, and the Bulls tend to lose points-wise the 1st and 3rd quarters. If he is so good, how come the Bulls aren’t winning those times when he is in?

At this point, you are right that we will need him in the playoffs…the Bulls didn’t leave themselves with much of a choice.

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By: Gorditadogg http://bullsbythehorns.com/clarifying-chicagos-trade-deadline-non-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-41352 Mon, 28 Feb 2011 04:43:50 +0000 http://bullsbythehorns.com/?p=2687#comment-41352 @BFD

Here are some reasons I think Bogans is a good defender:

1. First and foremost, Tibs is one of the best defensive minds in the NBA and he thinks Bogans is a good defender.

2. 8 other NBA coaches, including respected defensive-minded coaches like Popovich, Rivers and Stan Van Gundy, have made Bogans their starting 2-guard, despite his offensive limitations.

3. One player Bogans has defended well this year is Wade. He has played Wade very physical, made a couple steals, drawn a charge and forced Wade into
many awkward shots.

4. Bogans plays good support defense. He rotates well, and makes few mistakes. Although he seems susceptible to a quick first step from quicker guards, he plays smart, doesn’t foul much, and rarely gives up offensive rebounds.

Overall I think Bogans has been doing the job for us, and we will need him in the playoffs.

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By: Jake in Minnie http://bullsbythehorns.com/clarifying-chicagos-trade-deadline-non-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-41351 Mon, 28 Feb 2011 02:48:10 +0000 http://bullsbythehorns.com/?p=2687#comment-41351 It seems Rasual Butler maybe headed this way (to the Bulls that is, not MN):

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nba/news/story?id=6165494

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By: Savage http://bullsbythehorns.com/clarifying-chicagos-trade-deadline-non-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-41349 Sun, 27 Feb 2011 20:12:15 +0000 http://bullsbythehorns.com/?p=2687#comment-41349 @Realist, Everyone is welcome to their opinion. You seem to think there is no chance you are wrong. Taking that standpoint rarely lets you see both sides of an argument in my opinion. I see your point I really do. But I disagree with the argument as a whole. If I was a GM I would prefer to have the Bobcats 1st round pick (which we have)they are not going to make the playoffs and will likely have a pick well before the end of the first round. Combine that with our first round pick and a second round pick with a talented young player in Brewer…And I am sorry that is much much more sweet of a deal than McRoberts and a first round pick protected or not. And so would many here. If you disagree then I am more than happy to agree to disagree. I wont sit here and attack you just because you have a different opinion. That is not part of a good discussion.

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By: Bam! http://bullsbythehorns.com/clarifying-chicagos-trade-deadline-non-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-41348 Sun, 27 Feb 2011 18:45:42 +0000 http://bullsbythehorns.com/?p=2687#comment-41348 We can still pull D-Leaguers up, right?

I think we should make a move on Orien Greene. The Nets signed him to a ten day contract when Farmar was out, but I think the contract has expired now. In the D-League, he’s been going 45% from the field and 34% from beyond the arc. Meanwhile, he’s averaging 5 rebounds, 5 assists and 2 steals. Trouble is, he’s almost 30 and averages just under 4 turnovers a game.

Another possibility is Walker Russel, Jr. He tends to be used as a point guard, but his stats indicate that he could fill the two guard spot well. He’s shooting about 47% from the field and 32% on threes. He also throws in 3 rebounds, 8 assists and 2 steals per game. This one would be a nice pick because he has not reached his peak yet. You can see that all his stats, especially shooting averages, have been going up every year since his first D-League stint in 2006. This would be a good time to bring him up.

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By: Bam! http://bullsbythehorns.com/clarifying-chicagos-trade-deadline-non-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-41347 Sun, 27 Feb 2011 16:39:29 +0000 http://bullsbythehorns.com/?p=2687#comment-41347 Is it possible to draft a player still in college before the NBA draft actually starts? I was watching a Villanova basketball game and two guards caught my eye:

Corey Fisher (senior). He’s a bit short, but he could grow, since he’s so young. This kid was interesting because he seems to be most comfortable as a two guard, but he is a good passer as well. According to the Villanova website, he shoots about 40% from 3 point land. However, his defense isn’t anything to get excited about. He’d probably be somewhere in next year’s NBA draft and I think we could grab him easily in a late round.

Dominic Cheek (sophmore): This one won’t be in next year’s draft, but I think it might be somehow possible to get him into the D-league and then pull him onto our roster from the D-league. He’s taller than Fisher (Cheek is 6-6) but looks thinner. This kid is going to be good. He’s very athletic, handles the ball well, rebounds well, plays defense and shoots just over 45% from the field.

Just throwing that out there….

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By: Realist http://bullsbythehorns.com/clarifying-chicagos-trade-deadline-non-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-41345 Sun, 27 Feb 2011 14:02:54 +0000 http://bullsbythehorns.com/?p=2687#comment-41345 You guys have to be kidding yourself if you think that 2 picks in the 23-30 range in the weakest draft in 10 years plus Brewer and a 53-58 ranged pick (again in the weakest draft in 10 years) was better than a non protected lottery draft pick and a young PF with some upside. McRoberts might not be that great but I would much rather have him than Brewer and a crappy 2nd round pick. A non protected LOTTERY pick is worth a lot more than 2 late first rounder. That is the case EVERY YEAR when teams try and trade a 22 and 28 pick they never get higher than 16, much less a non protected lottery pick. Good lord I wonder if you guys even try to think about trades rather than assuming that just because the Bulls offered a trade it is automatically the best one that was out there. BTW Houston and Cleveland both didn’t want to trade for the poo poo platter and they had less talented players they were offering so why aren’t you guys crying about them more than the Grizz?

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By: JoeSez http://bullsbythehorns.com/clarifying-chicagos-trade-deadline-non-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-41343 Sun, 27 Feb 2011 05:47:18 +0000 http://bullsbythehorns.com/?p=2687#comment-41343 BFD,

Bulls need a SG upgrade but that *is* one of the easiest positions to fill in the later part of the draft.

Stanford’s Landry Fields is this year’s guy.

Yes, it would be great if some team gave the Bulls a top SG on the cheap but that did’t happen. Landing a SG by giving away a 7 ft Center or PF isn’t an improvement.

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By: BFD http://bullsbythehorns.com/clarifying-chicagos-trade-deadline-non-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-41341 Sun, 27 Feb 2011 03:10:04 +0000 http://bullsbythehorns.com/?p=2687#comment-41341 I swear I hope I’m wrong as much as I hope everybody whom all season long have been saying that the bulls are one piece away from a championship. Because as I outlined above the Bulls have little to no shot of getting another good piece. Those of you hoping we can draft a shooting guard that can shoot the 3, play good D, and oh yeah…be found in the back half of one of the weakest drafts in memory are fooling yourself.

I haven’t been bagging on Bogans as much lately because he has been shooting better. I just hope he can keep up the pace. But please, unless somebody out there can elighten me…other than Coach saying he’s a great defender, what proof do you have that he is a great defender? How many opposing 2 guards has he shut down this year, hmmm? I swear, he doesn’t look *that* good to me to call him a “great” defender.

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By: Raevyrn http://bullsbythehorns.com/clarifying-chicagos-trade-deadline-non-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-41335 Sat, 26 Feb 2011 22:34:28 +0000 http://bullsbythehorns.com/?p=2687#comment-41335 According to Stein, Rip Hamilton didn’t want to be traded to the Cavs and then bought out, which would have allowed him to sign with a playoff team. If this is correct, and based on the benching and other shenanigans in Detroit, it seems like a good thing the Bulls didn’t bring in any of that to disrupt the chemistry of the team.

Simmons and some others on here think we should have made some move, any move to acquire a two guard. If there’s one lesson you can take away from the past several years, it’s not to overpay. It’s why the owners/management are trying to renegotiate the CBA to prevent their own stupidity.

Have some patience, trust our team, and enjoy what has been accomplished so far.

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