Please forgive my lying eyes

Apparently, I can’t read. Rose didn’t jack up seven treys. Chauncey Billups did.

Oy.

But I still have the same fear: I don’t want Rose to become too reliant on his outside shooting. His free throw attempts per game need to go up. To me, that’s just as important as developing his outside touch.

Free throws represent easy points that cause foul trouble for the opposing team. I love the way Rose has improved since entering the league, but he isn’t aggressive enough at drawing fouls.

Last season, he had only five games with double figure free throw attempts. For comparison, LeBron James had 42 of them. Dwyane Wade had 32. LeBron James had. If you’d prefer a point guard comparison, Chauncey Billups had 15.

Stars and especially superstars need to get to the line. That’s all I’m saying.

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33 Responses to Please forgive my lying eyes

  1. nyiacn.yannias9000@gmail.com'
    TGN September 1, 2010 at 2:24 pm #

    I’m looking at both ESPN and FIBA’s Website, and I think you confused Rose and Chauncey Billups’ stats. Rose’s numbers are a little better, according to these sites – 4/7 from the field, 0/1 from three point territory, and 3/5 from the free throw line. Still not enough free throws, but not as bad as Chauncey, obviously.

  2. Anonymous September 1, 2010 at 2:35 pm #

    These are Billips stats.

  3. Inception September 1, 2010 at 2:51 pm #

    lol….that’s billup’s stat line, not rose!

  4. Scott September 1, 2010 at 2:53 pm #

    Matt…you just wrote an entire post about Chauncey Billups! Rose was 4-7, and 0-1 from behind the line. Billups was the one gunning from downtown. Check your link to the box score.

  5. jeremys@ucla.edu'
    jeremy September 1, 2010 at 3:12 pm #

    Any chance you mixed up the stat sheet? According to ESPN’s box score, at least, Billups went 1-7 from downtown (and 5-12 from the field) while Rose went 0-1 from 3 (and 4-7 overall). I didn’t watch the entire game, but that jibes better with what I did see. Admittedly, the box scores tend to be dicey for international games…

    http://espn.go.com/extra/fiba/boxscore?gameId=300832917

  6. hardy33@yahoo.com'
    hardtimes September 1, 2010 at 3:32 pm #

    If you notice, the Fiba ball is quit different. It is very slippery and a lot of players seem to have problems with the ball. Rose was having problems earlier in the pre-games but seems to be getting a better feel for the ball as the tournament goes on. Plus the style of play for Fiba is a lot different so a lot of our guys struggle first time around. And remember when Lebron and Wade and those guys first played in Fiba, they did not win the championship and had a hard time adjusting. Dont worry the U.S. and Rose will get better as tournament continues on.

  7. bay32@sbcglobal.net'
    DBay September 1, 2010 at 3:35 pm #

    I think you were looking at Chauncey Billups stats not D-roses. He had a pretty productive game(11 pts on 4 of 7 shooting 5 rebs and 4 steals) except for he had a couple to many TO’s. Looking forward to the USA Iran game though starting up in a few minutes.

  8. kpark1@gmail.com'
    ken September 1, 2010 at 3:40 pm #

    Interesting. I just read a post on http://www.3gotgame.com/kshiz that highlighted how much better drose’s jumper has become! And now he goes 1/7!

    I agree with you that he needs to stay aggressive and attack the rim. But I’m glad he’s getting more comfortable in taking those shots. The reps will ultimately help him and I think he’s taking those shots more as practice rather than to supplant the drive. I don’t think he’ll just drop what makes him so great. But point duly noted.

  9. DipenPatel@Chicagobreakingsports.com'
    BULL4EVER September 1, 2010 at 4:00 pm #

    Speaking of the damn good old Bulls,one playoff series win and five postseason appearances has never at all been enough in the Windy City,this organization wants to win it all no matter what and I’m totally looking forward to seeing Chicago and Miami in a head-to-head matchup for the third time since Jordan and Pippen left Chicago.Chicago will fight Miami down to the wire whether they upset the Heat or not and they will fight em like how they fought those Celtics in the 2009 Round 1 playoff series whether Chicago upsets Miami in the end or not. GO BULLS BABY!!!!!

  10. bob.edwards47@yahoo.com'
    BoppinBob September 1, 2010 at 4:33 pm #

    The US team played a quality opponent, under manned, and found a way to win. No one had a good game, and still they won. They played solid team defense and were rattled by the solid defense that Brazil played, and still won. Until they lose lets not bury these guys. Rose played poorly, Durant played poorly (7 TOs). Anyone can have a bad game.

  11. bob.edwards47@yahoo.com'
    BoppinBob September 1, 2010 at 4:34 pm #

    I meant the opponent was undermanned.

  12. Tohmifergan@gmail.com'
    Tohm September 1, 2010 at 4:37 pm #

    You’re reading the wrong stat line. CHAUNCEY BILLUPS is the one who shot 5-12 and 1-7 from downtown. Derrick shot 4-7 and 0-1 from trey land. Rose has been efficient and gotten to line more (5 FTA)

  13. James September 1, 2010 at 4:52 pm #

    I think you were looking at Chauncey’s stats…..

  14. James September 1, 2010 at 4:53 pm #

    …do you even watch the games?

  15. TexasBearsFan September 1, 2010 at 5:01 pm #

    Yeah, I bet the Thunder are panicking over Durant’s 7 turnovers (7? For real?). Why do Chicagoans feel the need to panic and make mountains out of molehills? Yeah, Derrick had a poor shooting day, everyone does now and then, it’s nothing to worry about.

    As to the “He needs to get to the line more often” chant, what would you suggest he do? He *already* drives the lane like a fiend. The problem is that he’s so strong and so quick that you have to foul the hell out of him to get a call. If he isn’t already past the guy he’s guarding, the defender taps him on the shoulder, which Derreck just shrugs off and no foul gets called. Also, please remember that Derrick was only a second year player last year. He’s not going to get fouls called like LeBron, who goes to the line if someone sneezes in his direction. He’s not going to get calls like Billups or Wade. Not yet.

  16. matheus_zucchetto@hotmail.com'
    Matt September 1, 2010 at 5:33 pm #

    theres something wrong man these stats are from chauncey billups
    rose 4-7 fg 0-1 3pt

  17. Alex September 1, 2010 at 5:55 pm #

    Matt, love your work, but I believe that’s Chauncey’s statline. Might want to let Truehoop know that too.

  18. gabilonge@gmail.com'
    Gabi Longe September 1, 2010 at 6:00 pm #

    Wow, I cannot believe you actually blogged about this. If you look carefully at the stats of the game on the FIBA website, Derrick Rose did not actually go 5/12 and 1/7 from 3point range, rather that was Chauncy Billups. Rose shot 4/7 and 0/1 from 3 point range in the game against Brazil. I double checked the FIBA stats on USAbasketball.com, you should do the same next time before you blog about a topic. See the links below for the box score…
    http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/10/fwcm/p/gid/9/grid/B/rid/6944/game.html

    http://www.usabasketball.com/mens/national/schedule.html#aug30

  19. edboom24@yahoo.com'
    Ballaholic September 1, 2010 at 6:18 pm #

    Matt –

    If you are going to blindly follow a box score without watching the game then at least focus your eyes on the right information…it was Billups who shot 1-7 from 3 pt land, not Derrick.

    While a agree with your passion for Derrick to be better at getting to the line, I feel like his develoment of a 3 point shot vaults him into rarified air as far as his potential goes!!!

    Go Bulls!

  20. chris.erin@gmail.com'
    CE September 1, 2010 at 6:21 pm #

    It looks like you’ve switched box score lines with Billups. It was Billups with the 1 for 7 3s and 5 for 12 shooting, not Rose.

  21. Treydog September 1, 2010 at 6:30 pm #

    IMO, as Rose matures and developes his game, Rose will not rely so much on his three point shooting, but will rely more on his mid-range jumper as it becomes more consistent and we will see less of Rose going all the way to the rim.

    In terms of the number of free throw attempts, Rose definately doesn’t get his share of calls compared to other NBA star players but also a reason why Rose doesn’t go to the free throw line as often is because when Rose drives to the rim, instead of looking for contact, he would put up a floater. IMO, in order for Rose to get to the free throw line more, Rose should forego the floater and just go all the way to the rim looking for contact just like how Russell Westbrook does it. I just don’t see Rose foregoing his floater near the basket; its a shot that Rose likes to shoot and is comfortable of making. Thus, I do see Rose getting to the free throw line more as a he gets more calls befit of a star player but I don’t see Rose going to the line as much as a D. Wade or even a Russell Westbrook.

  22. paul September 1, 2010 at 6:37 pm #

    matt was right

    It was Billups that shot 1-7. good eyes Matt

  23. paul September 1, 2010 at 6:38 pm #

    oops

    I meant Ballaholic was right

  24. bullsbythehorns@gmail.com'
    Matt McHale September 1, 2010 at 6:43 pm #

    Yep. I bungled that one everybody. My complete and utter bad.

  25. bodybagsteven@gmail.com'
    bullsfandom September 1, 2010 at 10:25 pm #

    In actually WATCHING the games, I am severely disappointed that Team USA is not running pick and rolls through Rose. Seems like 85% of the time, Derrick just walks it back up court and passes it to somebody trying to go 1 on 1. Its almost like Rose gets all of his shots when he just ignores everybody else and tries to dribble-drive or pull up a contested trey.

  26. joesez@gmail.com'
    joe September 2, 2010 at 2:04 am #

    I don’t want Rose to become too reliant on his outside shooting. His free throw attempts per game need to go up. To me, that’s just as important as developing his outside touch.
    Well if Rose can’t make a consistent jump shot then the D’s going to take away his penetration and let him shoot. When he forces the defense to respect a reliable jump shot, he’ll get more opportunities to drive to the basket.

  27. bob.edwards47@yahoo.com'
    BoppinBob September 2, 2010 at 3:55 am #

    Derrick is having a pretty good go of it in the 4 games so far, 16 of 25 (64%), 2 of 6 3pters (33.3%), FTM-A only 5 of 9 (55.5%, a far cry from his 76.6% last season). He does need to find a way to get to the line more.

  28. Anonymous September 2, 2010 at 1:30 pm #

    Since when was shooting 57% from the field a bad shooting performance? Rose was 4 for 7. That is not bad at all.

    I think alot of his lack of FT attempts goes to the refs not giving the guy any love, not a lack of aggressiveness. Last year he took alot of punishment and would not get calls. That should change this year since it is now his 3rd year and as he has become one of the new faces of the league.

  29. hardy33@yahoo.com'
    hardtimes September 2, 2010 at 9:36 pm #

    @bullsfandom
    I have to agree with you. I think the pick&roll will work with any of the guards, especially with Durant setting the pick. Hopefully they are waiting until the second round to unleash it on the tougher teams because it will definitely work for them if ran correctly.

  30. bat_dre@yahoo.com'
    bullsfanbaby September 3, 2010 at 3:59 am #

    they dont run the pick and roll play alot because the euro court slants in so much that the other person is right there when you come off the pick or screen its not like the same piant as the nba the real basketball

  31. bradominoso@hotmail.com'
    toso September 3, 2010 at 8:24 am #

    I agree with Joe 26 #. As long as he don´t improve his outside shootting he will find more trouble to go to the rim and get fouls. If you don´t score from outside defenders will give you space, and it will be easier to stop the penetrations.

  32. inkybreath@gmail.com'
    inkybreath September 3, 2010 at 10:22 pm #

    When it comes to Rose getting to the free-throw line, I don’t think there is anything we can take away from the FIBA play. As good as the competition is, the play structure is not even close to what the Bulls will be running for him.

    The best comparison in position, body and game is…

    Deron Williams

    FTA per 48 min. approx.

    1st year: 3
    2nd year: 6
    3rd year: 8
    4th year: 8
    5th year: 9

    Derrick Rose

    FTA per 48 min. approx.

    1st year: 5
    2nd year: 7

    And, I think we can wonder what Derrick’s numbers would have been like in the system of Sloan. Wait, that is what we are going to find out this year in the real league with a real coach, talent upgrades and a bigger city profile and possible star status for the whistlers to pay homage.

    In my opinion, you can skip to William’s 5th year and expect at least 9 per 48 from Rose. Hell, I think that just adding a year of experience and NBA strength to his long-range 2pt shot, mid-range, runners, floaters and jams was enough to make his FTs fly up, let alone a 3pt shot. Williams had a serious coaching and 3pt shot advantage and we can see he still lags behind.

  33. cerebral_thought@yahoo.com'
    C.T September 6, 2010 at 11:44 pm #

    derrick rose defense has picked up n got a hell lot better n he’s starting to get better at his playmaking skills also

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