Comments on: Game 48 Recap: Bulls 106, Clippers 88

By: Luke

Luke — Fri, 04 Feb 2011 15:32:40 +0000

And I agree with boppin… VDN does more than he gets credit for

By: Luke

Luke — Fri, 04 Feb 2011 15:31:44 +0000

Yeah, I am not really going to continue this argument with you Tony C., because you seem pretty stuck in what you think. But I am pretty sure that I would trust Michael Jordan’s opinion of coaches over yours.

And just to clarify, I was not assuming that MJ thinks very highly of Collins… Jordan is quoted glorifying him for giving him the room he needed to develop as a young player. I’ll have to go back and find the quote

By: BoppinBob

BoppinBob — Fri, 04 Feb 2011 14:37:17 +0000

@Tony, the Clippers started out 1-13 and are presently 19-29 (18-16) since the first 124 games. They’ve had wins against the Bulls, Heat, Lakers, Nuggets and Spurs. I agree that VDN leaves something to be desired as a bench coach. But you must agree that with the talent he had on the Bulls he exceded expectations getting to the playoffs two years in a row, especially after losing 2 of his top 7 players last season. He is at least a good motivator. He did not lose his locker room while with the Bulls and he has not lost his players with the Clippers after the 1-13 start. I agree that Thibs is a substantial upgrade.
But VDN was not chopped liver.

By: chitown4life

chitown4life — Fri, 04 Feb 2011 14:16:47 +0000

wait there is alot of hating going on here not gonna get into that.the bulls now have just been shunned or dissed again , its time for the league to be givin notice our Bulls are the second best team i the league , we have one if not the best point guard in the league , also we have a top Pf and Sf also Center.Why then is our team being dissed like it is the other big three in Miami, as good as they think they may be for all the hype whom have they beat.We beat them yes minus LBj but still we had no Noah,also we beat boston also the Magic also L.A lakers.The stuff has to stop somewhere this is the year I hope our baby Bulls who have grown , inforce there game and wil on the league its long over due.Its gonna be great watching Rose break ankles in the all star game hope he does not play modest and defer to other players, Iwanna see him take over and shine big time prime time in La La land enough said about that.For the L Deng haters or bogans none lovers Get off there backs our team is clicking and yes they are on it and both are doing what they are suppose to be doing …Peace

By: Tony C.

Tony C. — Fri, 04 Feb 2011 14:01:54 +0000

luke –

Sorry, I don’t buy your argument that letting players (young or not) do whatever they want is a positive thing. VDN was way over his head, and was not a good coach.

What I will agree with you on is that X’s and O’s are not everything, and it is very important for coaches to relate well to their players. VDN was probably decent in that regard, but only good coaches combine both crucial elements.

By: J

Fri, 04 Feb 2011 07:15:47 +0000

Whether derrick is mvp, boozer or deng should be in all star game, or whether bogans really has a good influence on wins, I really don’t know.

But I do know one thing, I love this team. I watch every game I can. I just remember the days between the jordan era, the curry’s, pfizer’s, duhon’s, etc. of the world and I smile. =)

I can’t wait for Noah to come back too.

By: inkybreath

inkybreath — Fri, 04 Feb 2011 06:17:25 +0000

The Skiles Effect shouldn’t be a problem, as long as they stay between close to or above the .700 win percentage.

I don’t think th(os)e players could give all that Skiles wanted to win half their games.

By: Luke

Luke — Fri, 04 Feb 2011 03:48:36 +0000

Tony C., I don’t think you grasped the big picture when VDN was our coach. We can all agree that DRose years 1-2 were far different than DRose year 3, plus he has Boozer, Brewer, Korver and a better Noah (although hurt now). 2nd, coaching isn’t simply what we can see when we are watching on TV. Ask Jordan who the most influential coach he has had in his career and guaranteed Collins is right up there with Smith and Jackson. You know why? Not because Collins had the best plays or system… nope, its because he gave a young MJ a chance to figure out his role in the NBA on his own. I see VDN playing a very similar role in DRose’s case. He didn’t have some intricate system where the players had to do exactly what he wanted in order to work. He had a very, very simple system which allowed the players to figure a lot of stuff out on their own. While this doesn’t translate to Ws when the players figuring things out are in their early years, it does help down the road in their development.

So I think you need to give VDN his due. He was exactly what we needed for those 2 years, he filled his role, and now we have a great coach.

The only thing that worries me about Thibs is the skiles effect… how long are the players going to be able to listen to him scream and yell the whole game? I mean we can hear it on tv… how do you think they feel when its targeted at them. I know he isnt exactly criticizing them, but helping actually, yet in the end these guys are multi-million dollar superstars. Eventually, after a few seasons of success and winning, they are going to start taking full credit for what the team does and they are going to get sick of someone who is always yelling, whether its advice or criticism.

By: Gorditadog

Gorditadog — Thu, 03 Feb 2011 20:54:55 +0000

Vinnie has done a good job for the Clips, they are better than people expected, even with their injury problems (Kaman, Davis, Gordon).

The biggest upgrade the Bulls made during the offseason though was getting Tibs. Sorry Boozington but it is true.

And DS I agree with you that we have some weaknesses on our bench. But teams tend to shorten their rotations in the playoffs. The most important thing come playoff time is to have extra bigs in case you get into foul trouble, and I think we are good there. I expect we will pick up another shooter before the deadline, but if even if we stand pat I think we will be fine.

By: DS

DS — Thu, 03 Feb 2011 18:48:15 +0000

Matt,

I loved your shot at VDN. It was funny and true. It’s not that he’s a bad guy or a bad coach, he’s just mediocre. For example, he did well to contribute to the development of DRose, Noah, and Taj. But, he was an awful game manager. And certainly not as good as Thibs at maximizing effort.

I also had a great feeling of relief seeing VDN on the other sideline last night. Right at the end of the 1st half, the Clips got a timeout to call a set play, and I just felt an overwhelming sense of confidence that the Clips had no chance of scoring. Sure enough, no bucket — and I’m pretty sure the possession led to a bad shot. So glad to see Thibs on our sideline!

One last point: when Noah comes back, Deng has to be one of the best #4 guys in the league. What other teams have that type of consistent quality in their top 4? On the other hand, as we go forward, I think the dropoff at our SG position and bench compared to other elite teams will keep us from contending for a title this year. For example, look at the quality and depth of LAL, BOS, SAS, DAL, ORL (not so much Miami but they’re weird cause their top 3 are ridiculous). In a 7 game series, there is just too much pressure on our starter to outplay the other team’s starters, because once we go to the bench we will probably outmatched.