3-on-3: Derrick Rose, minutes, and offseason moves

1. Fact or Fiction: Derrick Rose says he’s the best player in the NBA. Is it true?

Avi Saini: Fiction times 100. When Derrick Rose answered the question stating he believes he’s the best in the league, my jaw almost broke after hitting the ground as hard as it did. I love Rose and the confidence he’s displaying in his abilities (as any basketball player should), but who is he trying to kid? Lebron James is the best in the league without question. If Rose truly believes that he’s the best player in the league, I wish he would have taken the more political route with his answer by implying he’s the best in the league without blatantly saying it.

Braedan Ritter: Fiction. LeBron James has been the best player in the NBA for a while now, and he doesn’t look like he is going to give up his throne any time soon. But I also think Derrick Rose believes he is the best player in the NBA and I have absolutely no problem with him saying it (Rose also said in the interview that LeBron is the toughest player to defend). The players who have made it to the pros, the smallest percentage of elite basketball players, need this type of confidence. If you asked a lot of NBA players who they thought was the best player in the league, I would guess a good number would say themselves. While that makes them factually wrong, it doesn’t mean they were wrong to say it. Don’t we always complain when athletes throw out clichés in interviews? Now we complain when they’re honest?

Rose hasn’t played in more than a year, so he obviously isn’t going to be the best on the court when he returns in October, but for a guy who struggled with his confidence after being cleared to play last season, I’d say this type of statement is a good sign.

Matt McHale: Fiction. Here’s the thing: you have to actually play in the NBA to be the best player in the NBA, and Rose hasn’t logged even a microsecond of PT since injuring his knee during the first game of the 2012 playoffs. Mind you, that was after he missed almost half of the lockout-shortened season due to a variety of injuries. I’m a huge Derrick Rose fan, but given all the controversy of his non-return and LeBron’s overwhelming MVP campaign last season, his words feel…poorly timed and poorly chosen. After a season of barely talking, this is not what Bulls fans wanted to hear. Rose should be preparing for a comeback for the ages, not channeling his inner Stephon Marbury.

2. Fact or Fiction: Bulls coach Tom Thibodeau will keep his promise to play Joakim Noah fewer minutes next season.

Avi Saini: Fiction. To cut Noah’s minutes would mean that the Bulls have a solid backup center who could at least maintain somewhat of a paint presence for Chicago. Cutting Noah’s minutes also means Chicago would have someone who could step in and play somewhere from 15 to 20 minutes per game. Chicago has neither of these. Nazr Mohammed is a serviceable player but at his age and with his level of production Mohammed is unlikely to fill either of these needs. Given that the free agent market has already died down and that big men who can play 15-20 minutes per game cost more than a veteran’s minimum, I believe the Bulls will still need to rely heavily on Noah next season and that his minutes will not change.

Braedan Ritter: Fiction. When it comes to Tom Thibodeau and his rotations/minutes load, consider me always skeptical. Thibs knew Noah had injury issues and foot problems heading into last season, but still played him more than 38 minutes per game before the All-Star break. That number only decreased when Noah’s plantar fasciitis came about. And even after the break, Jo was playing better than 32 minutes per contest, with many of those games being meaningless. And don’t even get me started on Luol Deng and Jimmy Butler.

I’m sure Noah was more than happy to play through his injury, but as we have seen in many cases in many sports, players often have to be held back for their own good. I don’t see Thibs holding Jo back and considering the Bulls still don’t have a true back-up center, I don’t see Noah’s minutes decreasing. But I still hope that they will go down to a more reasonable number for a center with an injury history.

Matt McHale: Fact (maybe). If only because Thibs may not have a choice. Mind you, this is all conjecture on my part, but let’s not forget that Bulls executive vice president John Paxson once reportedly got into a physical altercation with then-coach Vinny Del Negro when VDN exceeded a limit on Noah’s minutes that had been imposed by management. More recently, Thibodeau’s top assistant, Ron Adams, was let go. K.C. Johnson of the Chicago Tribune reported on his Twitter feed that the dismissal may have had something to do with Adam’s criticizing personnel moves. And then Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports reported that the GM/coach relationship between Forman and Thibs is “easily the worst in the NBA.” Given the team’s financial investment in Noah, and Noah’s difficulty staying healthy, I wouldn’t be surprised if management once again imposed some sort of general restriction on Noah’s minutes.

3. Fact or Fiction: The Bulls are done making offseason moves.

Avi Saini: Fact. I don’t want to rule anything out because the Bulls are supposedly still pursuing Marcus Camby, but for the most part I believe the Bulls are done. With the assumed addition of Tony Snell and Erik Murphy Chicago’s roster is already at 12 men. Additionally, the team already cut Malcolm Thomas to avoid paying a little more than $2 million in added luxury tax which indicates that they are likely going to avoid signing anyone else until later on in the season when they can offer non-guaranteed contracts. Unless the Bulls can find a good big man who is willing to play for the minimum, I wouldn’t expect any more noise from Chicago.

Braedan Ritter: Fact. Like it or not, the Bulls big splash this summer was signing Mike Dunleavy Jr. So while they may add a piece or two, perhaps bringing back Malcolm Thomas or signing Marcus Camby, it likely won’t be anything that will make a difference on the court. We’ve seen how hard it is to crack Thibodeau’s rotation, so anything signed at this point will be a spectator.

Matt McHale: Fact. Check the numbers. The Bulls are over the cap and — barring a salary dump trade — will probably end up paying a luxury tax for the second season in a row after having never paid it prior to last season. They won’t be spending any more money. They aren’t going to amnesty Carlos Boozer. And management claims they’re in no hurry to trade Luol Deng. I think the roster is pretty much locked up for the moment.

12 Responses to 3-on-3: Derrick Rose, minutes, and offseason moves

  1. Udo July 26, 2013 at 6:50 pm #

    god McHale you are such a choch. bulls fans loved hearing d-rose say that. remember last time he made a bold statement like that. also I don’t think thibbs is afraid of pax. thibbs benches like 500lbs. ide take tom thibbs in a streetfight any day

  2. knurlyrican@yahoo.com'
    Knurly July 27, 2013 at 10:24 am #

    Udo – thanks for adding such meaningful feedback to this discussion.

    I definitely agree that Rose was way out of turn and looked like a fool saying he is the best player considering he never was! He never was or will be better than Durant or Lebron and definitely wasn’t better than Kobe two years ago.

    I happen to disagree a little about Noah’s minutes, they can go small and play Taj at the five and slide everyone up (Dunleavy and Butler can play the three, Kirk at the two, and definitely Deng at the four) against smaller teams. Against teams with legitimate centers (only a few – that won’t be an option).

  3. sarutkow@gmail.com'
    Scott July 28, 2013 at 11:48 am #

    1. Agree with Braedan. What else would we want Rose to say? I also enjoy Scoop’s article on ESPNChicago today.

    2. Jo’s minutes will decrease somewhat. Thibs will use smaller lineups. I also think Teague comes into his own and gives the Bulls a little deeper bench. Hinrich (when healthy), Dunleavy, and Taj can play the second string but they can also play multiple positions to give Jo and Deng a break while Teague covers Rose.

    3. Yes.

  4. Inception July 28, 2013 at 7:02 pm #

    Chicago fans will always find something to whine about.

    Who the F cares if Rose thinks he’s the best player? There’s a thing called confidence that makes Rose who he is. Without it, he would’ve never won MVP.

  5. john.fornoles@yahoo.com'
    FOH July 29, 2013 at 10:08 am #

    Some of you Bulls fans are becoming more unlikeable by the day. I thought bandwagon Heat fans were annoying, but apparently I was wrong.

    Rose needs to speak…oh wait, don’t speak…oh wait, you should’ve said this..be more PC about it..etc.

    I want the best player on the team I root for to have supreme confidence in his abilities, injuries be damned.

  6. luvabull@hotmail.com'
    Luvabull July 29, 2013 at 1:09 pm #

    3.) You can forget about Camby, he signed with Houston. Would love to see the Bulls pick up a strech four such as Antawn Jamison or a poor man’s version Anthony Toliver as back up for Boozer and let Taj backup Noah. After watching Summer league play, I believe Murphy has the potential to be a stretch and will fill that role eventually, just not sure he can do it this year on a title contending team.

    3a.) On a side note, Indiana has made fanatastic moves this offseason. Not the splashy moves the Nets made but they totally addressed their only weaknesses, their bench and three point shooting, with the addition of Scola, CJ Watson and Chris Copeland. Not to mention they’re getting their own All-star back in Granger. They will be an incredibly tough opponent this season.

    2.) I believe Thibs can cut Noah’s minutes. Everyone is hung up on a backup center. We have one in Taj. The way the league is at present, I believe Taj should take the bulk of the backup center minutes and we should have a stretch four to backup Boozer. I’m hoping Erik Murphy will surprise and fill that role for the Bulls.

    1.) I too cringed at first when I read that Rose proclaimed himself to be the best player. But then I thought, if he’s saying that then he’s feeling pretty good about himself physically and that bodes well for the Bulls up coming season.

  7. bob.edwards47@yahoo.com'
    Bob Edwards July 30, 2013 at 2:31 pm #

    Lets not forget that Boozer can play some C and is actually better defensively when he plays C. That allows Taj to remain at the PF and be a little more effective against 2nd string PFs.

  8. tyler.forst@simplastics.com'
    Ben Gonzalez September 16, 2013 at 4:22 pm #

    There is no way Derrick Rose should be giving Lebron James any more motivation. A smart guy would have given the politically correct answer, Lebron, and then continued to work hard and do everything in his power to overtake Lebron for the top spot. Lebron is coming off back to back championships and a wedding, the NBA might have been lucky enough to get a complacent Lebron this year. But guys like D. Rose keep adding fuel to the fire and it’s not going to turn out pretty. All that being said, this sure helps opening night be just a little more interesting…

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